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BIGBADBK
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 9:07 am    Post subject: Reduction in Premits for Northland

Talking to a guy from DOC/MAF and he said that DOC Northland aren't issuing any new permits and will not be issuing renewals once birds have died. This office's aim is to have no Native birds in captivity. This guy is in boarder control so I think he knows his stuff. Just passing on the info don't hold me to it.
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 8:55 am    Post subject:

It is my experiance, that most of the DoC ppl except a few good grass roots guys havnt a clue what a kakariki is...That includes staff at major DoC spots around the country, including up north...
As far as MAF goes, the same applies...
MAF ppl are awear that no permits have been issued for well over 10 yrs now to import ANY parrots...and I doubt a MAF person is even awear that a Kakariki is native...
All, unfortunatly, sounds a bit cynical...but hey, I cant help the blank looks, and drivel, I have heard coming from many of these "experts" over the yrs.
One example...
Up at Tane Mahuta..."
Have u any kakariki up here?
DoC ranger..."I dont know"
"Who would see regarding releasinf some"
DoC ranger...with attitude gives a lecture about illegal release of exoritic birds
When explain kakariki are native...insists they are illegal exotic...
So go thru brocures, books soveniers in the DoC shop to show ...there is not 1 reference anywhere to kakariki!

2nd example...did some prelimary investigation into importing kakariki...customs and MaF...it was a while before I got to someone who even knew a kakariki was a birds , let alone a native parrot.
And the list could go on.

I am a where of a permit been issued in resent months in Northland...

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:49 pm    Post subject:

Reply From DoC, 30th July 2007
I sent request for info 7th May 2007.

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My sincere apologies for not replying to your email until now. I have just been sorting through old emails and have come across it.

Until such time that the new guidleines 'for common species of parakeet and lizard held privately' are finalised, our Conservator is happy to accept applications to hold kakariki in captivity if they are i) pure bred and ii) being used either for advocacy programmes or significant restoration programmes.........

Thank you, and I apologise again for not replying sooner.

Kind regards,

Donna Stuthridge
Permit Co-ordinator
Northland Conservancy
09 430 2425
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Admin Note 25/2/2008: Donna Stuthridge is no longer employed By the NZ Dept Of Consevation

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:02 pm    Post subject:

Would that mean a private breeded wouldn't be aloud to keep them unless they're being use for "advocacy programmes or significant restoration programmes......... ''
The way I read it 1 you would have to be a zoo and 2 would have to be releasing there off spring.
How do u read it Step.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:22 pm    Post subject:

As I have stated in other areas of these forums over the yrs...
DoC is a law unto its own...literally
Every other Gov dept is responsable to the Minister and/or Paliment, except DoC...
So If the Minister wants a new policy ...say make use of private breeders and their expertise, and 'say' got 12 months to come up with one.
DoC can basically ...bottom line...stuff u , this is what we are going to do, and make one open to cutting private breeders and expetise out...
Something DoC hasnt do as far as kakariki and lizards are concened, but can at any time they like...

Lets say, a private breeder is permitted to breed Weka, a seriouly declining species once common 30/40 yrs ago...and that breeder, inspite of weka having a rep as to hard to breed in capitivity, is very successful...
They with draw the permit remove the weka...end of breeding FREE program. No reason given, end of story....

Simlar has happen with native fresh water fish.....

I must say, most of the grass roots DoC ppl are great....but even thu they have University gregrees as long as your arm, experianced in Conservation all over the world...because they still have work boots, their knowledge advice, is totally ignored to the point...if they object to a policy made by some deskjockey in Wellington...no promotion..

These bloody DoC desk jockeys are not interested in Conservation, just protecting their own little heiachy and increasing their dictatorial powers, by twisting ministerial directives thru policies and placing greater restrictions on the private sector....

The only way a privare breeder could breed for conservation, or be approved for new stock out of the wild, is become a 'professional conservatist' attend meetings, confences all over the country, get on a heap of Boads, and marry a high ranking DoC desk jockey....and have no or very little hands on experiance breeding kakariki...but still be able to set standards requirements that are so bloody PC DoC will love them and private breeders shake their heads in wonder...

I have a lot of trouble with the above...not because of what I have said, but because it is very hard to believe such a condition can exist in NZ
I sounds like someone who has a beef and sour grapes...
The trouble is I have no beef, and simply express what many grass roots DoC ppl say in private and also the feelings of so many private breeders.

Why in the most populous area of NZ Over 1 million ppl, there are 100s maybe 1000 parrot breeders, but only about 6 to 8 who have kakariki, less than 50 birds, and getting smaller.....Bloody beaucracy gone very wrong.

Here are the DoC policies
http://search.doc.govt.nz/query.html?rq=0&col=Internet&qt=Captive+Management+Policy&charset=iso-8859-1

My kakariki have been screened by DoC as deases free, are accepted by NZ zoos, and DoC as pure bred....but If I cant give them away, I snip their heads off and bury them....Thats conservation of endangered species in NZ.

I often wounder how long it will be before my permts are revoked for being out spoken...cant be because of our birds or the conditions they are kept in....because the grass roots DoC guys are quite impressed...even on suprise visits.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:22 pm    Post subject:

Hi all, I was just finding out about what the current holding permit provisions were.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:02 pm    Post subject:

Yeah, and it would be very nice If someone like krapkariki at DoC could actually confirm denigh, and put the record straight.
It is disapointing that is the best Some ppl at DoC, find is the most constructive comment they can come up with.

If that is the best, then all I can comment is
"I rest my case"

I will also note krapkariki, has not searched or veiwed any other posts in the forums , but has veiwed the index where further background information can be read....and has veiwed 1 articules where we had a request from DoC to help suport the updating of permit data bases.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:16 pm    Post subject:

All we're asking for is some common sense from DOC.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:37 pm    Post subject:

krapkariki could you intorduce your self and give some back ground. We on here usually give some back ground info so the other post's on here know were we are coming from and can relate this to our post. Could you do the same rather than posting put downs.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:08 pm    Post subject:

krapkariki wrote:
Hi all, I was just finding out about what the current holding permit provisions were.
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U come in these forums, make sarcastic comments, use a name that is rather derogatory, use a hotmail email a/c that includes "imasookybubba",
Do little or know searching, didnt even look for further info on permits...yes there are links etc to download applications, and detailed information...
THEN say "I was just finding out about what the current holding permit provisions were"
That is BS!!! you joined these forums for the express purpose to act as avery unwise wise guy.

Yes we have had some strong and civilised discussing here over the last 4 years, but NEVER have we had such bad behavour as this in 4 yrs.

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