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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:31 am    Post subject:

I would be very careful with molasses, it is high sugar, high sugars plus the normal carbs results in lazy, fat over weight birds with health issues further down the line.

Basically would you feed your children brocolli and so they eat it to get the hi nutiational value, sprinkle a few teaspoons of sugar over it every night?

The best soln is a balanced, consistant diet all yr round....and like Peter says, they have to have good diet months before breeding season, and during....and when breeding season has finished, one is into "months before breeding season" anyway

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:35 am    Post subject:

I read once in an English-budgie forum something like...
"Never seen an athlete eat burger & fries during the off-season."
signlol

Cheers / Pablo

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 10:33 am    Post subject: GOOD NUTRITION

It has been made to be a QUALITY PRODUCT? It is fairly popular among bird keepers. So i guess you have to have faith in some products. The Molasses is in very small amounts.
I also provide egg with shell and grated cheese
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:07 am    Post subject: GRIT ADD ON

I guess when i say they eat it i, don't mean they gorge but, sample. I received them from an old budgie breeder. He knows genetics but, i feel he lacked in good clean birdkeeping. The other thing he belived in was the austerity diet. (SEED&LETTUCE ONLY) unless breeding.
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I know we discussed Sprouted Seed before but, it's a living super food and, the first thing all my birds eat. Pray
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:08 am    Post subject:

Hi Joe,

I guess if it's natural molasses, and it's a good quality product then it's ok.

It's a bit like when I was in the USA, there was this marple syrup that was some refined artificial bs vs. the natural marple syrup (the real deal from the tree).
I guess it's the same here in Europe with commercial honey (a.k.a. lots of liquid sugar with artificial stuff to make it taste like honey) vs. natural, direct from the bees, honey.

Over here in Europe there are different eggfood products, some of them of very good quality, but I'm somehow in favor of feeding a home-made thing. I either boil a few eggs and crush them with breadcrumbs, or make a home-made 'barre breton'.
A well known Dutch breeder told me that he feeds a boiled egg (with shell) once in a while in the holding aviary and a few hours later there is no traces of egg or shell.

I believe... the egg itself and its shell has many of the required nutrients and maybe it's better than processed eggfood

Cheers/ Pablo

PS: I also favor sprouted seed. The birds feast on it like crazy.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:34 am    Post subject: GREAT SUPPLEMENT

Egg& biscuit has been a waste for me. Egg shell has been the best. It's as natural as it get's and they love it.
With the Princess's they ate well but, not as well as the KAK'S & CONURES.
In my opinion if they eat well you can meet their mineral needs.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:50 am    Post subject:

Calcuim comes in many forms..from plaster of paris, powder and set, concret, cement egg shell raw and heated, shell fish, bones cartlage garden lime , gypsum.....
And most of them are in a form the body cannot obsorb...including boiled egg shell.
And unless there is a balanced diet which include other vits and minerial in the near correct proportion even the good stuff will not be absorbed into the body.....and the same applies to your veggie garden, rose garden, plants and humans.

As to molasses...it is sugar...the body eats carbs, plus sugar, it will process the sugar down toglucose and use it before processing the carbs to higher sugars then down to glucose....since it sences the sugars and processes thenm 1st, it then stores the carbs as fat for winter or famine...if there are nether the fat just accumicates, and health issues eventually follows.

Try it on yourselves....eat no carbs or sugar for a few days...not the weight drop.....eat a few carbs , slight increase in weight....eat carbs and sugar and the weight piles on fast....
Note carbs like bread, even whole meal has sugar added...

But Pab hits the nail on the head with natural foods thu.
We have 2 pair at the moment, in 2 1/2 seasons have produced over 200 eggs, over 150 chicks... and still procucing as we speak...no supliments, just consistant varied diet 2x a day, and very low sugars.
And we do this with all our birds, for nearly 10 yrs now.
over the last 5 yrs, defective chicks are
1 king, damaged wing in the nest
3 kakariki damaged falling early out of the nest
1 kakariki faulty leg...hated 2 weekis after the rest of the batch, got squashed and damaged.
1 kakariki the same as above, damaged wing.
All chicks surive to fleding from the nest...no dead in boxes.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 2:02 pm    Post subject: POINT TAKEN

I WILL TAKE NOTE and, do some more refining for best results.
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