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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:04 am    Post subject: adding new babies with fledglings

Hi Guys!!

been a while Wink As it was my birthday yesterday I was very naughty and bought two 6/9wk old red crowned lutino's <v>
Any way as they are in doors quaranteened and getting used to veg etc (and so i can ivermectin them later...<evil laugh>) ..I was wondering when wld be the best time to add them to the aviary ?
At present it wont be for a good month yet as two pairs are sitting eggs at mo...how long after the fledglings have left wld be ideal to introduce?

*just to note* am hoping to be V.clever and cheeky and remove both nests..
have no concerns about 3rd small box in corner as that has been comendeered by a very stroppy yellow crown"The Oddity"! Laughing

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:02 pm    Post subject:

signlol
looks like someone is getting addicted LOL

I would deworm the chicks right away, as far as I know ivermectin has no negative side effects on it's normal dose.

Since they are young I think any time could be good to release them in the holding aviary, or do you only have 1 breeding aviary?
If it's breeding aviary, I could not say which is the best time, but I would say right after the youngsters are weaned.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:26 pm    Post subject:

Any new birds we get are does, given apple cider vinegar regularly and isolate for at least 3 weeks

Do not introduce any new birds to a flight that has a pair sitting, going to nest or raising young..thats asking for trouble.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:44 am    Post subject:

Thank you for both of your replies..I did however discover my missed opportunity to dose them midway to releasing them in the cage

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and yes i have more than got the bug Pablo Laughing .The two youngsters are much more energetic than i've seen and so prob showing true Kakariki style! - but however they are extremely skittish..so lots of patience and time required.. gd news the have both taken to the fruit and veg..some are thrown out -but thats preference(or too much choice Laughing )

Although my aviary is 'calm', I won't introduce until ALL chicks are out and being weaned.at this point I will zoom in and do the most wrong thing, and remove boxes..hopefully, the girls will sulk abit and the boys pre-occupied that i can release the newbies...I'd imagine they wld be itching to spread their wings at this point!

any prob u may percieve -pls let kno
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 3:00 pm    Post subject:

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and yes i have more than got the bug Pablo


I would recommend you dropping by the English budgies forum or a canaries forum, you might find some breeder getting rid of breeding cages batteries for a decent price
signlol

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 7:41 am    Post subject:

:fun: yes.thankyou Pablo!

..but seriously, i am going to have to find some alternative for breeding purposes..lots of NEW blood is a priority.

I cld very well be the start of a new UK 'Steptoe' hobby--- aviaries , leading to avairies and even MORe....... Shocked Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:59 am    Post subject:

Ooh! Go for it! I'll come by and buy some next year! :)
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:20 pm    Post subject:

:fun:

New blood, of good quality... I think everyone is always in need of such a thing.

I don't know what is your status, but remember that if you have really good birds you can try to work 3rd degree pairings (i.e. grandfather x granddaughter, uncle x niece, aunt x nephew, ...). Start with 1 or 2 test pairings and see what you get out of it.
If offspring is overall better than the original birds, then you are probably on a good track.

How many pairs do you have right now?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 3:56 pm    Post subject:

Dont forget, ANYTHING that looks suspect, cull
Do not sell off, breed or give away.
The last thing anyone wants is defective birds getting into circulation.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 8:31 am    Post subject:

Naturally guys..of course, i wld only learn from the best Wink

at present I only have ten kakariki now and two of which I wouldn't use. My original pair have chosen new partners this yr which is a gd thing , so i have very long way to go yet..My roving eye is already re-planning the garden space Think

And interesting to know , I hadn't realised you cld raise 3rd degree birds , I still think i wld prefer totally unrelated birds but a consideration to observe their quality if they pair off naturally
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:00 am    Post subject:

Hi Lu,

I meant very good birds, and then with caution.
Linebreeding is an excellent method to establish desirable traits in your birds, but... also an excellent method to establish undesirable defects in your birds (and some of them might not show up straight away i.e. poor parenting qualities, plucking babies, bad brooding behavior,...).

Excellent examples of what inbreeding can do are lutino cockatiels with those ugly bald patches behind the crest, same with bronze fallow mutation.
With the yellowcheek mutation the situation is that they don't brood the eggs, or they brood them right until a few days before hatching, or they brood flawlessly and then let the chicks die.
Etc...

For now I have a feeling that I don't know my flock well enough as to linebreed, I wouldn't be sure of what traits I'm perpretating.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:11 am    Post subject:

Where parents dont raise, I strongly suspect a couple generations of hand rearing...a strong therory of mine.
Since all our stock has been avairy raised, other than 1 female, it has never been an issue.
Hand raising is to produce tame little birds with most of their natural social behavour unlearnt, for pretty little house pets.
Avairy reared kakariki once weaned, tame down very easy, (and it seems more so if nests are distrurbed , chicks handled not at all) within a few days...Even an adult several yrs old tames down within about a week.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 5:39 pm    Post subject:

Hi!

that theory is also suspected on the yellowcheek mutation, several generations of hand rearing.

There has been this rush of handrising parrots for the last couple of years. People is already handrearing the 2nd generation, some of them right from hatching. I'm expectant to see how many generations is going to take so that the birds don't breed at all.
Even with cockatiels a lot of people is experiencing problems when breeding, I guess it's a mix of lack of space, poor qualities and hand-rearing probably is another factor.

If we take a look at fowl some people tries to encourage natural breeding and it takes a couple of generations for the birds to have good parenting abilities. Normally they need to use fosters like certain races of chicken that broods and rises chicks flawlessly.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 4:05 am    Post subject:

Thats exactly how I see it, There are other reasons too I wldn't buy 'Hand reared' birds.

By the way, just to rattle off the subject slightly ..I've been observing my only two quails over the last 3 yrs, and have been trying to establish the best requirements needed to get button quail to brood naturally- EVERYwhere you read, they say they dont even try and make lousy parents
Today(as like my nature, i like to prove wrong) my quails have hatched TWO babies and counting!!! <v>

I am delighted..early days yet for the Kakariki's tho
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 4:14 am    Post subject:

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quail must be funny to watch

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