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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:09 pm    Post subject:

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Then 1 yr I just thru them all in 1 flight with a heap of nesting boxes, they chose their own mates, then I isolated sorted them and their nesting boxes to other flights....the arguements in the big flight got quite agreesive...


If u have nesting boxes in a flight with a bunch of Kikies - that is "asking for trouble"!
Skip the nestingboxes - they will pair out anyway

When I apply this method - itīs one of few times when I really spoil them with Extra, Extra food and treats, extra extra foodbowles placed on opposit ends of the flight and other things like frech twigs that they like chewing on etc.
Do anything u can think of that occupies their mind - instead of fighting.
After 1-3 weeks every thing has cooled down and itīs back to normal rutines - now u have a nice flock Kikies that sociallize in a naturall way.

This is how I keep my Kikies at all times, only to pick out a couple that are mating and are in good conditions - put them in a smaller flight/cage with a nestingbox... peep-peep, soon there will be small Kikiebaybies!
When this couple has finished breeding - Throw them, and the original Kikiepack - all in a new flight cause the procedure of getting them acostomed to each other starts all over (allthough under a much shorter time period)

It's so pleasent to watch a closely bonded Kikieflock - foraging on the ground for food!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:08 am    Post subject:

hi again..
steps i started with a large cage at first and made the mistake of trying to breed 1 pair who were two young.... if u read bk thru my threads it took me three months to build these indoor flights at these size u recommended to me bk then thats why i only have the two breeding pairs .... that was the point i was making on not being able to pick and choose my breeding pairs like other people here can and i wont expand until i have the facilities to do so even tho i want to so bad .
thanks for info on the pics aswell i'll keep trying to get those pics up the hand rearing ones are really good ...

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 7:39 am    Post subject:

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If u have nesting boxes in a flight with a bunch of Kikies - that is "asking for trouble"!
Skip the nestingboxes - they will pair out anyway

Nope
I have had kakariki since the early 80s..
We have a bulk holding flight....mixed male demale no nesting box....there is very little natural pairing off....
It starts off with 4 or 6 single males...then as the pairs produce chicks and leave the nest...are moved to the bulk holding flight, are weaned by the single males.....this flight can very quicklly get up to 59+ kakariki.
After several months, we pick maybe 7 males 5 females from this established flock and put in another flight with nesting boxes....
Depending on how long and how established the flock is depends on if one has to separate the pairs or breed together without any issues.
Only yesterday I sorted 7 males 5 females out of this seasons birds, and placed into 2 flights with 5 nesting boxes in 2 breeding flights with the joining door left open...nesting boxes are approx 1.5M distance.
They may or may not pair and start to get terroritial....If they do, I just move the pair and nesting box to the next flights either side and close the joining doors....
I am expecting these to breed as a flock.

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Do anything u can think of that occupies their mind - instead of fighting

When ever new mature birds are added to a flock (even hens and one has to do them right or you will have a dead hen) always add 3 or 4 min, one gets a little arguement/ pecking order in the evening roost time, other than that we dont have any issues.....The alpha male rules the roost, checks them out, tells the rest of the flock whats going on, and they do as they are told.

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made the mistake of trying to breed 1 pair who were two young

We have no issues, in fact far netter results breeding males from around 9 months and females from 3/4 month....keep in mind we feed full consistant natural diet 2x a day 265 days /yr, and bree al yr round, pairs producing over 30 chicks per yr, with no health, egg binding etc even after 3 yrs constant production.

I believe the secret to communities no arguements, what makes easy to do is the consistant fresh diet, no compertion for food, feeding 2x a day plus meat /fruit separate, and keeping slightly consistanly under fed...so there is no waste....a week total food waste from 20 kakariki is less than 1L.
and number, type and postioning perchs that suits the pecking order of the flock.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:41 am    Post subject:

regarding breeding in a flock that is what i eventually want to do... none of this pairing off and seperating i want them to have the most natural self sustaining habitat as possible, will this be possible ?? i don't kno !!.. i have the space out bk just need time we've only lived here 1 and 1/2 years and have much to do gardening wise also money is an issue .. i get married in may n its costing me a bleeding fortune but the very day i get bk off honeymoon landscaping and construction will begin <v> i want everything finished for next spring "am i right in thinking this will be they best time to put them outside" i know i need to climatize them but thats another thing i need to research.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:47 am    Post subject:

bruce, congratz on getting wed

about the building, etc....
my advice alongside Step's better to wait a few months and do it right once, than doing temporary stuff that eventually gives you hell, and you either give up out of frustration, or have to rebuild again.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:28 pm    Post subject:

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regarding breeding in a flock that is what i eventually want to do... none of this pairing off and seperating i want them to have the most natural self sustaining habitat as possible, will this be possible ??


Setting up a flock is not 100% assured....in fact I would put it more around 60 to 70%
Once set up those breeding pair will go for 3 to 5 yrs + nps

BUT you always have to treat Murphy as your best friend...If doesnt work out or something happens have an alternative....
Yes I have had to euthanse a flock, and quickly build another few flights on the end of one of the avairies....

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i want them to have the most natural self sustaining habitat as possible

Wouldnt we all....yep one day I will build such a flight when I have a spare 10 grand or so.... a 5M heigh off the side of the house, out over the pungas fejo, guava orange trees and native shrubs /trees and pond about 9M x 15M
Even then will have to supliment feed and that would happly breed about 6 pair......Even then will still need holding flights.....AND there is the consideration of managing and capturing them...
Start to see the practablities of this concept?

And Pabs advice ... do it once do it right.....take it...
I gave up on patch /temp fixes /jobs 40 yrs ago, as a matter of personal policy....I have a motto....work hard at being lazy.
I spend very little of my life fixing stuff....
As a general rule of thumb and this is for everything ...relationships kids, staff, making , stuff, work etc
It takes 3 times as long to fix a mistake, and 3 times as expensive as to doing it right 1st time at a leasurely pace.
It takes 2 secs to teach a child "look at all the fishies in the pond" and aqes to re re teach them fishies are fish.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:50 pm    Post subject:

orgasmic aviary !

they should spank really hard those adults that talk stupidly to children

"do it once do it right"
I've learned it the hard way.
As Steps says things done in a sloppy way, after time give you hell and you loose motivation. And of course this applies not only to DIY or birds, also other areas of life.

Unless you are someone like my grandpa, that has spent his life doing patches/sloppy stuff and still today has not learned the lesson.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:35 pm    Post subject:

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regarding breeding in a flock that is what i eventually want to do...

i want them to have the most natural self sustaining habitat as possible


If this is what u want to do - then go 4 it Applause
Everyone has different basis to build on (Space, time, money.....)
What works for one person, doesenīt necessarily work for everyone else.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:49 am    Post subject:

great advice from EVERYONE thanks...
i work in construction and im very lazy ... infact i'd give my right arm for easy life ... i made the mistakes with the indoor flights and im pretty sure were i want to go with this.
as regards to self sustained habitat as possible u might have taken me out of context with the key words as possible ... i know im not gonna be able to throw them in there and leave them to get on with it.. id like to find out more about the birds natural habitat and imsry to tell u guys but u are the experts out there cos no-one else seems to kno what the bleep they are on about when it comes to kakariki
all i can say is great work with the site and thanks Applause

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:12 am    Post subject:

we have a saying in Spanish...
"at blacksmith's house... wooden spoons"
LOL

but it's understandable, if you spend the whole day working in a construction site, you generally won't feel like laying bricks and stuff at home on your time off

kakariki natural habitat, Steps, Stumbler and some of the NZ guys can probably explain better, but my understanding is that red fronted kakariki are very similar to the typical european blackbird.
A forest bird, hardy, oportunistic, cheeky, etc...

If you take a look at wild kakariki pics most of them are taken in places with high grass, forest, etc..

There's also a text by Buhler from about 100+ yrs ago, but I can't find it for some time.
There it explains quite well about kakariki, probably one of the best texts so far.
hope this helps

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:26 am    Post subject:

if only that were true pabloc the construction trade in the uk is virtually non existent ... idle hands we could say so id be grateful for something to do this summer if this government weve got in dont get their finger out ... its like being under thatcher all over again... watch this space cos if this country doesnt get its act together the poo shall we say will hit the fan.
in fact i might bugger off to NZ and go live with steptoe signlol.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:51 pm    Post subject:

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i work in construction

Damn ..wish I did then I would know what the hell Im doing with a hammer.
Give me a bit od steel and a welder..thats a different mater Wink
As you can see from my Avatar....I have another hobby, and do everything from electrical, panel, paint, tuning myself.

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"at blacksmith's house... wooden spoons"

We have a couple similar ones, refer to a builder or mechanic....car or house in a bad state refered to a biluders or mechanics car or house.

I have been in to Hot Rodding (American V8 stuff) and British Jowett for over 30 yrs now...
One thing thats very noticable is only one or 2 make do it for a living out of 1000s......And even then is usually because they have got very good at the hobby or part of it...say building V8 diffs and started there own business.

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in fact i might bugger off to NZ and go live with steptoe


Maybe not a good idea for a while, the CHCH quake (s) are going to hurt NZ quite hard over the next few yrs....15/20 Bil with a population of 4 Mil...thats quite a bill...next yr inspite of the 1st quake NZ was going to increase its growth...now its into -ve s.
But like any country, and if one followed Shakespears business advice in Merchent of Vence....own at least 1/3 of what one posses, one will be ok.
Things are far tougher as Bruce says out side NZ And Aussie because of the over leveraging and sub prime which we did not hook into.

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id like to find out more about the birds natural habitat

I have put descriptions in threads over time...
"Quick Search" block to the left things like
no mammals
forest
no seeds
forest floor
just off the top of my head from memory

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:37 am    Post subject:

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Give me a bit od steel and a welder..thats a different mater Wink
As you can see from my Avatar....I have another hobby, and do everything from electrical, panel, paint, tuning myself.


now thats sumat i know nothing about all the mates do but im not macanically minded i wouldn't mind learning welding not that bothered about engines that would just confuse me...

as for the quakes bring it on nothing happens in the uk and i need some danger in my life .... my old man was a sea fisherman and lived a dangerous and hardy life i must have only been only 4 when i first went out with him and i guess i miss that kind of lifestyle ... i would preferebly live in alaska and live of the land but NZ climates a bit warmer signlol alexander selkirks life for me... i wish!

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