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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:43 pm    Post subject:

DONT use sand paper or sand paper perches...sand paper is not like ordinary sand, it is like broken glass with the sharp edges facing up.

Get a few bits of wooden boards..or even heavy cardboard (replaceable)
The perches use as kindling for the fire, get some old branches from the local forest...between 1/2" and 1 1/2 in diam
place the branches as perches so as not over food or water etc.
Thru an old shoe box in with one end cut out.
A good sized rock in the bottom so he can climb on.

Stuff like that makes a cage look different too.
nice looking bird
Which leg is it?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:53 pm    Post subject:

Thanks will do that. Don't use sand perches or covers on the perch, I am able to get branch perches from my local petshop. I put his perches to the side of the food bowls so as to make him climb to them.

It's his left foot which is sore.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:54 pm    Post subject:

Just wondering also, would you place wood chip on the bottom also as they sell that in the petshop in the bird section.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:23 pm    Post subject:

I use simple river sand in my aviaries as substrate, but that may not be useful indoors.
I have seen several European breeders using wood chips as substrates in the breeding cages (for instance Rob at www.kakariki.nl ) so I think that could be a good solution.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 12:15 am    Post subject:

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I am able to get branch perches from my local petshop.

This concept is rather foreign to me.... duno
Are u saying that pet shops sell small branches and they cant be picked up from a local park, trees growing on the side of the urban roads or semi or rural area near by for free?
This is no more than kindling wood to start a fire...and to pay for it?

On our avairy floor we use volcanic pumic sand...its called A4 grade in NZ..used in landscaping in cobbled areas....$NZ5 for about 0.1m (5x 20L pails ) is about 2 to 3 months of approx 80 sq m of avairies

For a cage we use the same, but try different stuff, including a good compost mulch, forest floor litter...not sawdust thu, wood chips from the chainsaw...even a good turf of grass...
This is the sort of thing where one really enjoys their birds, finding out what they like, keep them occuped....and it doesnt have to cost.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 2:32 am    Post subject:

On looking at information I was under the assumption the perche branches had to be a certain type, that is why I said to get from a shop.

Since checking the earlier forum comments I went to a local hardware store and bought some plywood and beading to make a new floor for Mo's cage. It took a bit of tweaking but I eventually got it to fit. Laughing

He is slowly getting used to it, I will check my local stores for the items you have suggested to place down.

Thanks everyone for your advice
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 6:12 am    Post subject:

Mo is CUTE!! :)
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 6:38 am    Post subject:

Cute but worrying me senseless.

I have lowered all his perches as he's climbing up his cage but falls down on occasions as he doesn't have the strength to get onto his perches. I have also moved his food and water so he doesn't have to do much climbing. Since doing this his cage is messy as anything as he is throwing it out of the bowl which is what he used to do. So there's going to be a lot of cleaning for me.

Still struggling with walking and gripping the cage with his left foot but hopefully now after following advice on flooring he may improve.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 8:48 am    Post subject:

I often use newspapers on the floor together with woodchips.
If the cagefloor is messy I just roll up the newspaper together with the " dinner leftovers" throw it away and put a new one in :)
The woodchips help prevent the newspaper from becoming too wet.

Here is a link to a site you might like.
http://www.birds-online.de/gesundheit/gesallgemein/krankerkennen_en.htm

Though it's about budgies, most goes for other types of parakeets as well.
Amongst other things it describes signs of possible illness and bodylanguage.

But actually, I think if you give him time to strengthen by making sure he gets enough sleep @ night and plenty of good food, he'll be A ok soon.

And nickieemma, I think its GREAT what you did for him so far. The vet, the grill etc...
Don't worry too much. First of all, it's not good for your bloodpressure and secondly, like kids, birds are sensitive to your emotions.

I am keeping my fingers crossed for him!

Keep us posted, and don't hesitate to ask.

Dutch greetings,

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:08 am    Post subject:

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On looking at information I was under the assumption the perche branches had to be a certain type, that is why I said to get from a shop.

No....there are the odd tree types not to use, but most are fine
Drted branches on the ground, better still a little rot so they can eventually chew them up...like they do in the wild

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He is slowly getting used to it, I will check my local stores for the items you have suggested to place down.

Things like turf are in the backyard turf of grass...and compost, forest mulch, a couple good handfulls from the forest floor......Free.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:28 am    Post subject:

Unfortunately I only have a small garden and it is entirely slabbed and the local forest is about 15 miles away and is a bit inaccessible for me at the moment. I have a daughter who is in a wheelchair and it's school holidays and the forest area is not wheelchair friendly. That is why I am choosing to go to shops at the moment. Once school starts back in 2 weeks I will be able to get there.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 4:42 pm    Post subject:

That explains a lot...I think we take much of what we have in NZ for granted.. Shocked
15 miles to a forest..even in NZ largest city from the CBD one is in the forest of some sort maybe 3 or 4 at the most, in suburbs patches of forest everywhere.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:29 pm    Post subject:

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there are the odd tree types not to use, but most are fine


Steps, that might be true for New Zealand but isn't neccesarily so for Europe.
You see, kakariki originate from NZ. And NZ ,I believe, has rather strict rules towards importing new species. Be it animals or trees, plants, veggies.
I suspect NZ kakariki are used to most of your trees/ plants and know by instinct what to avoid.

Europe has almost no import rules, so at this point we have a big range of exotic species, from all over the world, growing in parks, gardens etc...

Plus the fact that what's originall to us might no be originall to our imported kakariki. A lot of it is.. but not everything.

Since our kakariki depend on us to decide what we allow them to chew on and what not, I think we really have to be a lot more careful than you guys.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:21 pm    Post subject:

There is a very common garden tree (Euonymous) in the UK which is lethal to kakarikis. Even a few leaves dropped into the aviary by the wind can be fatal if they eat them and these trees are routinely planted in new housing developments.

We collected stuff like willow, birch etc, trees that we knew were safe to provide perches. They love stripping willow buds and bark off by the way.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:08 am    Post subject:

Gee,

I have read many horror stories about newspaper and lining the floor cages etc... then a few months ago reading from a champion English budgie breeder... he uses newspapers to line the breeding cages floors.
I don't think that guy is that stupid as to risk his expensive birds signlol

I'm also spoiled, as I live downtown, but my birds are in a "rural" area with lots of fields and stuff around. Getting a few pine or eucalyptus branches is not a problem, as well as a bunch of wild herbs, plus my grandpa has a small orchard to the side of the house where I get "free supplies" :) signlol

But nevertheless don't underestimate kakariki and their instinct. My birds have never had meat before they did over here, and they DO eat it. Also when I give them aromatic herbs... they've never seen a wild kakariki rub them off instead of eating, and I doubt my original breeding kakarikis were provided with herbs or natural branches, chances are really small. Most people just feed seed and water.

Same as cockatiels going bananas whenever you drop a fresh branch of eucalyptus.

Just my 2 cents :)

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