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Jonny
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:02 pm    Post subject: What mutations are these ??? (i'm confused)

I've looked through the posts and pics but it loses me ...wall wall

Any ideas what they are ?????



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:47 pm    Post subject:

Judging by pics can be hard but my guess is that u have a Recessive pied cock bird and a cinnamon hen. The babies are recessive pieds.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:13 pm    Post subject:

Im on a learning curve here, and we dont have mutations to actually look at in NZ...
OK question is, keeping in mind pics dont show everything.
Why would the Cock be Recessive pied and hen cinnamon hen?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:04 am    Post subject:

First of all I like to say that concerning the colour mutations there has to be more research done. “Description and inheritance” in the mutations area is a collection of what is generally accepted in Europe but is not 100% sure.
So, see it as a guideline that needs some corrections in the future.

I assume that the birds in the gallery and in the forum are the same.

The male shows some small pied markings in the wings and toes. The iris ring is visible. This points out to a recessive pied. But, a recessive pied is generally accepted as a major pied. The pied areas should be more than 50%.
In the world of parrots the recessive pied gene can show action when split. This action can vary from a few pied toes to some small pied markings in the feathers. The reason why this is happening depends of the “modifiers”. These are genes that show no action but alter the penetration of the recessive pied gene over the wildtype gene.

So I think your male is a Normal and split to recessive pied.

The female is deep yellow, has white flight feathers and black eyes. This points out to a Goldcheck. This means she is a DF dominant pied recessive pied. So, 2 dominant pied genes and 2 recessive genes.

Babies should be EF dominant pied recessive pied and/or EF dominant pied/ recessive pied.
I think yours are EF dominant pied and split to recessive pied.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:12 am    Post subject:

Steps,
I am only guessing as pics can be decieving. But, my theory is that the cock bird is a pied. This can be seen in the yellow flight feathers. The hen on the other hand is much lighter in colour than a normal bird. This would mean she is a cinnamon or fallow bird. However, fallow birds have a red eye and again looking at the picture the hen appears to have a normal coloured eye.
Now, by pairing a pied cock bird to a cinnamon hen you will produce pied offspring. That is what the young chicks in the third pic are. The only real question is whether the pied mutation is recessive or dominant. Because the amount of pied on the young has increased (in comparison to the cock bird) I believe the mutation is in fact recessive.
Cinnamon is a sex linked mutation and so you can not have "split" hens to the cinnamon mutation. So all hens produced will be normal recessive pieds. Cock birds will be normal recessive pied but also split to cinnamon. Hope this helps.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:15 am    Post subject:

Sorry, last one must be SF dominant pied and split to recessive pied.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:30 am    Post subject:

Peter,
My apologies. On my computer the hen appears to be a light green colour. Sorry for the confusion.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 3:22 am    Post subject:

Thanks for the info guys ..
But still a bit confused as to how you come by the results duno

Peter - yes the birds in the gallery are the same ..
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:30 am    Post subject:

Kaka-riki wrote:
Peter,
My apologies. On my computer the hen appears to be a light green colour. Sorry for the confusion.


That's ok m8. Computers are not always perfect. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 6:57 am    Post subject:

Jonny wrote:
Thanks for the info guys ..
But still a bit confused as to how you come by the results duno

Peter - yes the birds in the gallery are the same ..


Jonny, an easy way to find out the possible colours of the offspring you can find here. http://www.gencalc.com

Peter
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