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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:31 am    Post subject:

I would not thonk an eye infection is worms, but rather a bacteial infection , maybe secondary to an injury?

Check out with your vet to apply antibiotics
There are several older threads where people have had similar issues, and from memory also name the antiiotic

ivermectin, not only is used for mites but also hits a range of worms
How to check for worms and detailed description of worming agents
http://www.kakariki.net/ftopict-59.html

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By the way... anyone knows if de-worming powder can be mixed with the eggfood?

Sorry but personally several of us here do not recommond this type of bteatment or method
The only experance we have is many years ago adding wormng soln to the water was when we used to keep a few hens for fresh eggs... give the children a of taste 'farm life' in the city...we also used to grow all or own organc veggies...made heathier children.

Some Eye infections as yu describe can also be contagios, I would recommend isolating the bird, (makes easier to apply antobiotcs etc)check with a vet, And mist sray the other birds, and a good spray soak of all walls, perches etc floors with 50/50 vinegar and again about a week later.

It may sound hard to pet owners and those with small flocks, unless the bird in question is critical in a breeding progrm, we simply put it down if there is no response to treatment within a few days...advoids risk to the rest of the flock.

It is important to isolate, de worm/de mite any new birds for several weeks before adding to main avaiares. you may get away with not isolating 9.9 time out of 10, but that last 0.1 can be very destuctive.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:13 am    Post subject:

Steps,

thanks for your quick reply. I went back to the aviary in the afternoon and he was himself again! Maybe it was just an injury and I did it worse spraying him. Good thing is that he was back to action.

Already in the morning I misted the perches, nests and wire with "Steptoe's 50/50" and an anti-mite spray to the birds.

I became worried because I have another hen (in a different flight) with an eye problem, which I think may be due to an injury. After seeing this cock as well... I was afraid that it wasn't an injury as I thought. I treated her for worms and fungus as well with no positive results. I'll try with the antibiotic then (I yet have to buy it. I have the name since a few days ago in my cellphone, it was Peter who recommended it).

Let's see how they are tomorrow morning.

Thanks for your help!

Regards / Pablo

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:04 am    Post subject:

What type of vinegar do you use? white vinegar is distilled so it's a lot stronger than the basic brown stuff. Shocked
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:21 am    Post subject:

What ever the wife has in the kitchen cupboard...
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:29 pm    Post subject:

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He was rubbing his eye against perches and wire

Sounds very much like a form of conjunctivitis, superb parrots are prone to that. Just reading up on it, says "keeps it shut longer than normal - eyelid redisch and swollen - difficult to cure if not dealt with strait away".
I would go to a bird vet and ask him if he is a fimiliar with this problem. if you dont treat the eyelid will clag together
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:12 am    Post subject:

Hi

I've recently seen a few of my Kakarikis looking a bit scraggy, so assume mites, they scratch a lot, not all are affected and havn't had such a problem in the past. Could it be a summer thing?.

There was one bird a while back that I sprayed with a pet mite/flea mixture and it came right fast, so to avoid the hassle of trying to catch the currently affected birds I mixed up a brew of this solution and with a pump sprayer gave them a soaking!, this caused them to race around and hide from the spray, they seemed a little stressed, but of coarse being Kakariki they got over being chased around and soaked in just a few minutes....very forgiving!.

With large aviaries and lots of obstuctions they are hard to catch, they even fly backwards out of the net!.
So spraying at a distance, seems better but doesn't look like it's working and now am looking at the Ivermectin treatment.
The Vet has not heard of this treatment and as others have found, they only suggest crop dosing. The diluted drops -neck application method is what I will try, this isn't really stated in Brett Gartrells posting but I guess others use it with success.
0.08% of the sheep pouron, assume this is with water?, I'll see if the vet will sort this out for me.

I still have the trauma(mostly mine!) of catching the birds, I once injured a bird with the edge of the net.
I know a small cage in the aviary with a food lure can be helpful and I've had some success with this, but not ideal.
Any suggestions on methods of capture?, types of nets and the netting used?, the net I currently use is short handled, 600 mm diameter, black curtain netting about 1 meter deep.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:07 am    Post subject:

How net birds
Well we have friend, amazing, I have tried, but cant do it...no net
He just watches them doesnt move around much, then when hes ready and chosen his kakariki, moves 1 hand slightly, they look there , then in an instance his other hand flashes out and they are caught, hardly ever misses.
And its not that they know them, hes done it in our aviaries just as well

Our nets are about 300 diameter about 250 deep, std white mesh..
Have fond smaller size tends to sort of whip quicker than larger nets and dont get hung up on perches
Each flight is designed so there is a cnr or short wall (mesh) where there is small perch about 25mm diameter and 100mm long and in a area where one can flick a net without hindrance.
Before hand u ill notice each bird will go st a slightly different spot, so a couple 'trial runs without the nest 1st.

As mentioned and I do harp on about it, a good soaking of the walls floors perches etc with 50/50 vinegar and as the birds fly have them fly thru the mist...a trigger sprayer doesnt make the cut, get a good 1 1/2 lite pump up garden mist sprayer...use less better coverage. Spray once a week if have problems once a fortnight with much lighter coverage for general maintenance
Depending on the size of the flight...a smallish flight one can move an arm to wards the kakariki at the other end, they fly to the 'free' end the net is held ready , then ZAP, with a flick of the wrist...traped in the net which is flat against the mesh...another reason why it is best to have the framing on the outside of the mesh.
Larger flight the same, but far better to have a 2nd person in the flight at the middle to other end to move the birds to the captive area.
When spotting usually have a 2nd person, one sort of needs a 3rd hand to hold the bird, do the eyedropper and spread the neck feathers all at the same time.
Preprepare the eye dropper with a few drops in then put the lid back on the cantainer...if u dont u can count on a bird knocking the container over.

Storage of the container, we keep in a dark brown bottle, in a small cardboard box to eliminate light and store in the refrigerator.
Dont know if this is a storage requirement but better to be save than sorry.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:20 am    Post subject:

Stumbler,
To avoid injuring birds with the net you can twist a piece of spongerubber or latex around the edge.

The standard Ivermectine pour-on is a 0,01% solution in propyleenglycol.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:44 am    Post subject:

Thanks guys, the new soft edged smaller net is under contruction.
The original is a little large and nearly suitable for whitebaiting!(small NZ fish @4mm deep & 5cm long).
Don't think I have the martial arts type skills to hand catch....they are way too fast for me!.

The Ivermectin that I aquired is 0.08% in propelene glycol, not sure about the 0.01%?.

Some sort of auto applicator would be handy... to avoid catching the birds; perhaps a flexible weed-wiper thing that they duck under to access food, parts the feathers and then can manually administer a few drops with a remote plunger?.
They don't mind crawling into/through small places for a favourite snack.
This all sounds a bit technical!, probably from my loathing/paranoia of catching the birds.

Thanks again for your replies. Cheers
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:36 am    Post subject:

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The Ivermectin that I aquired is 0.08% in propelene glycol, not sure about the 0.01%?.


Thats what we have, (0.08%) and used 2 drops out of an eyedropperon a couple with no ill effects

u have to catch them spread the feathers on the back of the neck and apply to the skin

Catchng, dont sing arond wild, take yor time choose your moment as they look at something else like a small movement of your other hand.
yo will be suprised how efective u get and how quickly u get good at it.
I get hold of the bird hile the net is still flat against the surface, dont take the bird out but bring it in the net to my chest, manover the bird and net (hanging so the neck appears and apply
Biting, I just ignore that, thu after while u get the hang of holding so they cant...most times signlol

The main secret is to go in confident and decide what is going to happen.
If u go in a try your best, thats all u will do, try, u will not actually do it well....ever heard of "trying ppl" ?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:49 am    Post subject: urgently help please

I gave to my 2 girl Ivermectin...and one of the girl she scratch too much her head-neck where i puted the drops...one drop i puted and she don't stop scratching....is getting bleeding if she continue....because of this i took her in one towel ..... is this normal,what to make,please???????
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:04 am    Post subject:

Yes, this is normal. I guess it prickles a bit. Don't worry, tomorow it is gone.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:27 am    Post subject:

thank you...now she is calm sleeping :)
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 3:11 am    Post subject:

Just like to say HI first :)

I'm in the UK, south coast the sunniest part Laughing

Got myself a Kaki about a month ago
I think or was told it's a female (hen) and about 6 months old!

She!? is already semi tame in that
She will stand on my fingers and walk all over me
Lets me stroke her front and pinch her beak
Fights me for a piece of apple
Goes back to her cage herself

She's called "Dollie" at the moment!? Rolling Eyes

She's quite active and plays by herself quite happily most of the time

She eats quite a lot too, although she prefers seeds, I'm also giving veggies
She's not that fond of the veggies, but I'm cutting down on the seeds I feed her

OK, now for the "Q's"
Although she's quite lively and active
She's been losing some feathers over the last 2 weeks
The back of her head, the top of the wings and some at the front of the neck
It doesn't look sore, just a bit naked
She does scratch and nibble a bit though

I've read through some posts saying the Male molt like this when they are ready to mate at this age

So now I'm not sure if it's mites or that She's a He :oops:

Should I treat her with the Ivermectin or wait a bit longer?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 3:46 am    Post subject:

Hi,

knowing what I know today, last few times I saw a kike with feather not in top condition I used ivermectin 0.1% without hesitation.
I think since I made the "big treatment" back in october 2009 I have repeated on 4-5 birds.
2 drops on the mouth, 2 drops in the skin (if possible in the affected area), repeat 10-15 days later (as per Steps instructions).

My grandpa has chicken 10m away from my birds, wind will blow a lot of dust and thus probably lice and other parasites, plus I have a lot of wild birds mainly sparrows and blackbirds around the place, and the occasional mouse. I prefer not to wait for too long to use ivermectin.

As far as I know, ivermectin doesn't have serious side effects so I think preventive use WITH MODERATION is ok.
Thus, don't give ivermectin every month, just every few months if a bird looks like having an abnormal moult!

Cheers / Pablo

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