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Sassy
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:56 pm    Post subject: TALKING

Hi

I've had my kak a week and she's friendly now - sitting on our fingers and flying round the room.

My next question, how do I make her talk (insead of skwark!!)

Any advice would be VERY w3c..

We talk to her,, but she doesnt seen to take any notice.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:41 am    Post subject:

w3c to our Community
Talking is something we havnt covered as yet.
The only experiance I with getting a parrot to talk was a sulpur Crested yrs ago, Got Him from a wild nest...not only could he talk, one could have a conservation with him,and argue Shocked after 18 months, 2 yrs
I just talked to him, being stupid really...
he would be on the arm of the chair , I would have a coffee... and point and say "coffee" in a normal voice. Pick on things that would be drawing their attention at the time.
When I walked past him, I would always say "hello", or "how are you" just as one would no passing someone in the street.
The normal voice 'thing' ever noticed parrots talk in stupid parrot 'accent' ?
It because people talk TO THEM like that!!! ands they squark out "polly want a cracker...really gets on my nerves!!!
Please teach him to speak normal?

Normal is with a Kiwi accent (not that we have one signlol) not a pommie accent. lmao

I have heard from reliable sources of kikes learning to talk quiet easy, havnt seen one, as kikes are not allowed to be kept as a pet in NZ and very rare as a avaiary bird.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:05 am    Post subject:

HA HA HA HA HA Laughing

Thanks for the advice steptoe.

I'll try to get her to speak 'normally'!

Although I draw the line at "crack us anutha' tinny open cobba!"

The reason I am so KEEN to get her to talk is that the pressure is going to be on her soon , as I work for a radio station and we're going to do a 'parott report' on her progress over 8 weeks. And if she doesnt talk by then it'll sound silly.

I'm really shocked (and impressed!) that you guys have such strict laws on keeping them as pets. I bought her from a pet shop and was told she'd be ok in a cockateil cage that's about 1/2m X 1/2 m X 3/4m, and now I know her cage is too small - but I paid a lot of money for it so I'm not buying another one. We just let her out a lot.

At first she was very still and quiet - a perfect pet! Now she's running and flying about all over the place, pooing on the mirror and skwarking (my God she skwarks!!!) and the mess!!!!!! A pet elephant would have been cleaner!!!

Now I think about it - the guy in the pet shop wasnt sure if she was a female or male - but judging by the way she looked quiet, cute and CLEAN until we were completely smitten by her - then the noise and mess started, I'm beginning to think she's a male!!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:27 am    Post subject:

hi sassy
from a novice to another,my eddie can only say a few words but he is only 8 months old.steps is right if want them to talk,then talk to them as much as you can,but as for pommie accents ? !!
parrots mimick you . our african grey is nearly 12 months old and he takes the mick out of every member of the family he says his name in many different ways its so funny. but he waffles so much better at words we havent taught him its what he has been listening too. as a human i can pick up different accents, born only a few miles away from london i have a bit of a cockney accent !!! ,but im sure steps and others will put me right with a kiwi accent ? just be careful of slipping up with the odd bad word, because the parrot species pick it up very quickly like children do . good luck ! playing music is also good . eddie my kike and eric my african grey are mesmerized with the crazy frog tunes~axel foley tune - new one now is crazy frog popcorn.their fav music is loud rock music. gypsie :fun: [/b]
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:46 am    Post subject:

8 weeks... no that is realy pushing for most birds
Parrots are a long term committment.
u shocked at Our restictions? read the thread ..ring their necks...and keep in mind that kikes have been "...have been added to the list of globally threatened birds following an international reassessment of the world's threatened bird species..."
U want someting for your radio station? have a good search thru forums on the subject, read the front page new items, and links. I dont think u will be "impressed at all"...And if u want more info...I have letters to the NZ Minister of Conservation who, " reconises the fact that there is far greater experiance in the private sector" than DoC has. The way the legislation is setup...the Minister is responsable to the Dept, not the other way around d'oh!
Kakariki under the current DoC admin are going down hill, including the highly endangered Orange species, at a consistant rate.
Yet programs of other species like kiwi are on the up..why?, private expertese.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:24 pm    Post subject:

Birds learn to talk the easiest if they have been hand reared and have had no contact with other birds then they copy what they hear. Kakariki are not really known to be great talkers. I have heard a hand reared male red fronted that lives in an aviary now with a mate that shouts out "Hullo Ricki" to anyone passing the aviary, that is however the sum total of his vocabulary.

Patience and repetition is the best way to teach your kakariki to talk and make it fun and exciting for the bird.

Birds also learn to talk easier by copying another talking bird. A classic example are cockatiels, put one into an aviary that can whistle a tune and pretty soon half the cockatiels will be whistling the same tune.

Remember that all birds are different and your kakariki may never learn to talk. If you really want a talker, buy an African Greay or an Amazon but if you want a fun active, affectionate pet, keep your kakariki.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:28 pm    Post subject:

Birds learn to talk the easiest if they have been hand reared and have had no contact with other birds then they copy what they hear. Kakariki are not really known to be great talkers. I have heard a hand reared male red fronted that lives in an aviary now with a mate that shouts out "Hullo Ricki" to anyone passing the aviary, that is however the sum total of his vocabulary.

Patience and repetition is the best way to teach your kakariki to talk and make it fun and exciting for the bird.

Birds also learn to talk easier by copying another talking bird. A classic example are cockatiels, put one into an aviary that can whistle a tune and pretty soon half the cockatiels will be whistling the same tune.

Remember that all birds are different and your kakariki may never learn to talk. If you really want a talker, buy an African Greay or an Amazon but if you want a fun active, affectionate pet, keep your kakariki.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 1:42 am    Post subject:

I'd NEVER get rid of her - weather she talks or not. We're REALLY captivated by her.. she's great.

Steptoe, I dont understand your post. ? duno . What were you trying to say?

Thanks for the advice folks. I leave the TV on when we go out so she doesnt get lonely and I'm making a CD with a few phrases on today. There's no pressure on her really..it'd just make good radio if she talked at the end.

Thanks for the advice folks
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 5:58 am    Post subject:

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Steptoe, I dont understand your post. ? . What were you trying to say?

u mean the DoC part?
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The reason I am so KEEN to get her to talk is that the pressure is going to be on her soon , as I work for a radio station and we're going to do a 'parott report' on her progress over 8 weeks.


If talking parrot item is a bit risky...check out what is happening with Kikes in NZ under current DoC admistration...your Radio station may like to run a item on that instead.
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I'm really shocked (and impressed!) that you guys have such strict laws on keeping them as pets.

I dont think u would be very impressed thu...shocked yes.[/quote]

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:05 am    Post subject:

OH I see steptoe, thanks.

I meant that I was impressed that you have such great rules on keeping kakarikis. In Britain you could get three and keep them in a budgie cage and you wouldnt be doing anything illegal.

I'm sorry to hear that they arent doing so well in thier native land. I am completely besotted by Milly, she is WONDERFUL ... but birds belong in the wild, I know that and the only justification I can offer for keeping her in a cage in my lounge is that she was for sale anyway and if we hadnt have taken her in she could have ended up somewhere much WORSE!

She's coming out of her cage more by herself now and flying round the lounge. She favours the wooden mirror frame... but I've noticed her claws are getting a bit long. Do I take her to the vet to get them cut?

I feel really bad that her cage is too small,, so we let her out ALL OF THE TIME we are in.

I dont think the station would be interested in running a story about them because they are not very well known in the UK. I'd never heard of them before we visited the pet shop - and as a local radio station we only run stories about LOCAL wildlife.

Advice about the claws would be VERY w3c...
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:24 am    Post subject:

Theres a couple other posts on claws...main thing is good perches.
I would suggest u give him time outside , bit of sun, in a position to have a good look around the landscape...If he gets away..kikes are very quick observant parrots.
The chances are he will come home if his cage is left outside.

No don't be impressed by Our Gov DoC rules on keeping kikes...they are stupid. To the extreme. Just as 3 kikes in a budgie cage. Most of the grass roots guys in DoC who know kikes/parrots I have respect for. They certainly do their best by responsible breeders.
The Minister Asked DoC for updates, I was sent a Document written by some stupid desk jockey
I don't know the source or the reliability of it, was posted not emailed ...think it was sort of leaked. So have been hesitant to publish.

The other thing we have to be careful of is the power of DoC, make waves they have a reputation of walking in remove ALL birds, permits or set requirements off the top of their heads that are way to expensive to meet.
I think that is Fascism?
Thu on the positive side, it does keep the stds hygiene/flights of responsible Kike breeders/keepers in NZ quite a bit higher than the norm..where they should be anyway.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 1:44 am    Post subject:

IT must be AWFUL for you worrying that your kikes might be taken away. Beurocracy is the same all over the world.

Steptoe are you suggesting I put Milly outside in her cage or free? I'm worried about it because she was really happy to sit on our fingers and then one day, so she wouldnt get bored I moved her cage from the corner of the room to in front of the window. I think it spooked her because she didnt want to sit on our finger anymore for a couple of days. That said, I would LOVE to let her out outside - we have a big garden and with all those expensive plants to rip to peices she would be in heaven!!!

I've got a conservatory and when the weather gets a bit cooler I was going to put her in there so she could see the birds in the garden - but now because she was a bit wierd after I moved her I'm not sure.

I also want to thank you for all the help and advice you've given me. We've never had a bird like a kike before and we got her because the cat I have had for 14 YEARS got ill and had to be put down. As you can imagine we were all VERY UPSET... but Milly has made the house 'alive' again and filled the hole left by our beloved cat. Becasue she is a replacement for a much loved pet - she is SO IMPORTANT to us - and without your advice we couldnt have cared for her properly.

Thanks very, very much and PLEASE make sure the website continues for a long, long time. I think more Brits will be coming on because a majoy pet shop chain is now selling kikes - so look out for the pommie invation!!!

p.sp my spelling is creative too!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 9:24 am    Post subject:

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Steptoe are you suggesting I put Milly outside in her cage or free?

No...in her cage.. Bit of sunlight, bit of fine rain, a few of the 'natural' things missing in life. She will get used to it.
Get her territory to be the cage rather the cage and that part of the room.
I'm thinking more in the terms of Murphy's Law, a open door window.
If she gets her bearings out side, and gets used to being outside, then one day escapes...She will not panic, get lost.
The chances are she will come home to her cage that evening or next morning.
I believe there is a breeder who has an 'open' aviary. One day he Left it open, the kikes came back that evening, and now they do so every evening...
We also had a instance of a Kike that came up from down country, escaped, that evening she was back around the aviaries, I set a cage rat trap next morning, 10 min later she was inside.
If she does get out...DONT try to catch her, chase her, just call, leave the cage out.
One day u may feel confident enough to let her outside free.

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Thanks very, very much and PLEASE make sure the website continues for a long, long time


I meantioned this in another post or news item...this site started as just a learning curve in setting up a server/web site, kikes just happened to be the subject...could have been Bradford Vans..within a few days things started to get serious, after a couple months more so..Members became committed, and supportive, so I then purchased a domain name, committed some of my bandwidth and one of my gaming machines.
Also this site shot up to 1st or top of the major search engines..dogpile, msn, yahoo, google, and a few others..not just search for 'kakariki' but other parameters like 'kakariki care' kakariki breeding' kakariki mutation' 'kakariki vet' etc
Also bird owners at all levels are a good bunch of ppl, like gardeners...they are a friendly bunch.
This site will be around for a long time to come. We even have members who can look after it when we go on holiday.

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major pet shop chain is now selling kikes

Members are w3c to contact such businesses, Magazines, clubs etc or send me their web page...we can add them to our 'Web links' they can also link here...and refer customers here for support/info,so kikes can be looked after well and enjoyed at all levels, from single pets to high end mutation breeding/showing.
There is a thread in the members section with more details

I'm glad we are of help. thumb

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 3:44 pm    Post subject:

How I got my male Kaki to talk was.....

When he was calm, I tickled his tum and said TICKLE TUM

When feeding through cage bars I said YUM YUM

When he was biting me and being defensive i said BITEY BOY

And thats all he says now, Tickle Tum, Tickle, Bitey, Bitey Boy and the funniest of all, when you clean his cage and put fresh food in, he always eats and says Yum Yum.

Like Allan said, its repetition really, the males are quite quick learners, my male Kaki started mimicking Tickle Tum after about 5 months (hes nearly 1 year old now)

Also the female I have is starting to make non Kaki noises, like garbled words after 4 months, probably mimicking the male Kaki.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:45 am    Post subject:

Rolling Eyes Newbie here jumping right on in Shocked my young Kak is 6 months old, KOWHAI (pronounced Co-fi) talks and talks and well - talks .. I have a total of 13 fids (feathered kids) and of the 13 fids 8 of them talk Rolling Eyes repetition is definitely the best way for any bird to learn - just in my own honest opinion.

I have never with any of my birds sat with them on a 1 on 1 basis and tried to teach them to talk, I believe it's the INDIvidual nature of the bird IF they wanna talk and repetition.

Kowhai just totally cracks me up with the banter he/she waffles on with, clear, precise and just so totally entertaining. Kowhai relates to different movements, situations and knows what goes where as far as talking.

I probably do have an advantage of birds picking up from other birds regard talking, however Kowhai is the only bird that DOESN'T say any of the things that any of my other fids say.

Simply get in the habit of saying the same thing at the same time, eg. when I get up of a morning and walk out to the room where my fids are housed I say 'morning mate' - some will say 'morning mate', however Kowhai will say 'morning Kowhai', doesn't matter what it is I say he will add Kowhai to the end of just about anything. I will ask a bird 'are you good?' to which Kowhai will answer "Kowhai good", ya just gotta love them.

I could ramble on and write a novel here but I won't out do my "new" member status but have sooooo much i'd love to share with everyone regard all my birds and my new found passion of Kakarikis. Applause


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