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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:00 pm    Post subject: The sisters/brothers Tea and Iwa

After having dreamt about parrots for twenty years I settled on a pair of kakarikis a month ago. I got a pair from a breeder/shopkeeper that claimed the birds were female, since “the males have yellow crowns and the females red crowns. Tea and Iwa would seem to be hybrids, but the look more red-fronted than yellow-fronted. I also suspect that they are brothers, not sisters.

Finding this forum was a godsend, since there is not much information available on kakarikis in Finland, nor in my homeland Iceland. I will try to post a picture in case someone can confirm my suspicions on their sex, not that it really matters, since I'm not going to breed them.

The birds have settled in nicely and training is going well. So far I have learnt that:

Breakfast shall be served a few seconds before I open my eyes in the mornings.

Birds will bathe in their drinking bowl. Live with it. wall

Guests are for the birds amusement.

Certain books need to be censured and my taste in litarature revised.

Food in general must be sampled by birds prior to human consumption.

Keeping birds locked in the cage while family is at work/school is criminal negligence, neighbours will be notified.

So, I'm getting there. (Hubby has already been trained, he will now ask birds permission before switching TV-channels)



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 1:17 pm    Post subject:

:fun: lmao
Im not so sure they are hybrids....a better close up of the crowns, but damn nice looking wild colour red crowns

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a breeder/shopkeeper that claimed the birds were female, since “the males have yellow crowns and the females red crowns.

Thats funny to....I shop keeper is definately NOT the breeder.
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(Hubby has already been trained, he will now ask birds permission before switching TV-channels)

We have had a run resently on hubby bashing..seems it is an international trait...But as my Dad used to say "marrage is a wonderful instutution, but like all instution there are issues...........like the wife and Ma in law. " Shocked

Post up a couple clear close ups of the crowns, If these birds have clean crowns, no yello or even just a hint....u have good stock, and worth trying to locate the breeder....it is very hard to get pure stock in Europe...well most parts of the world, now.
And yes they do look like a couple males, and most proberly brothers.
I have had a therory for a long time now...that the crown, shape, tint of red, or even maybe unltra violet patch...or combination of all of these... is how kakariki naturally choose unrelated or distantly related blood lines when allowed to select mates in a community flight.
We have noticed for many yrs now, when matched in a community flight the dont choose a brother or sister, but rather a different line or cousin.
Also part of my therory is lines tend to have the same shape patch behind the ear...cross 2 lines and the patch changes.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 4:25 am    Post subject:

hi and w3c

those 2 are realy nice looking birts
if it are 2 pure ones you are verry lucky

about sexing the birts there is a easy way here is a link how to
(from a post i places last week for a child that whas wondring about the sex)
http://www.kakariki.net/ftopicp-14085.html

once again damm those 2 look nice Applause
btwlet us know what you find out about those 2 realy like to hear more about tham
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:37 am    Post subject:

Hi and w3c ...... they do look beautiful birds... they dont look like hybrids to me... at least not the ones you see far too frequently in the uk. They are a lovely rich colour... cheers congratulations cheers and they sound like they are doing a good job of teaching to all things Kakariki signlol hope you continue to enjoy them
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 3:11 pm    Post subject:

w3c to the forum gunnsa!!!

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:fun:

if those 2 birds are hybrids at all, they are very marginal, they look like good specimens to me at first sight
if they are 2 males it's not a problem, they will socialize and bond

why the hell shopkeepers and other characters that run animal business don't have a clue, and to make things worse... tell misleading lies to their customers?
that's really annoying

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:20 am    Post subject:

pabloc wrote:
why the hell shopkeepers and other characters that run animal business don't have a clue, and to make things worse... tell misleading lies to their customers?
that's really annoying


i agree totally its no wonder people make mistakes....and there are so many hybreds around you tend to trust advice given to you by so called profecinals Shame on you

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 1:19 am    Post subject:

and then... incorrect advice on kakariki could be acceptable/forgivable, as they are not very common birds, but when you see aviaries and cages in so-called professional businesses full of hybrid lovebirds... then you feel like giving up hope.
Thank god internet and websites like kakariki.net, and other forums where doing the right thing goes above all.

Same as this new trend of selling 20day old chicks to hand feed... sad... really sad, and some breeders saw a quick business there... money + more clutches in less time... JACKPOT
then you see people screaming for help in forums because the little cockatiel/lovebird doesn't eat, it's lethargic, etc...
At least in a French cockatiel forum have been very aggressive with this practice... place and ad or hint about selling un-weaned chicks and you get banned.

Ok... enough off-topic. Sorry!

Cheers / Pablo

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:39 pm    Post subject:

Steptoe, I am quite sure that the shopkeeper is also the breeder. The birds were born and bred in the shop, and when I first went to look at them before buying I noticed that there was 1 yellow-fronted and one red-fronted parent. As far as I can see there is no yellow in the crowns, the only yellow I have found is a spot just above the tailfeathers on one bird.

Kakariki breeding in Finland is not very common, I think that most of the birds here are bred more by accident than purpose.

The only thing I wonder about at the moment is the length of their claws. I read somewhere on the forum that they are supposed to have longer claws than most parrots, but what is the definition of longer? I'd rather not have to clip their claws, I prefer to let the birds deal with it naturally. Could anyone tell me from the photo whether they are embarrassingly long?



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:24 pm    Post subject:

Nail length looks normal to me.

In my opinion, those 2 birds are not first generation hybrids.
A 1st generation hybrid:



Original source Peter Wouters http://users.skynet.be/kakariki/wild_type.htm

Also there is an hybrid gallery at kakariki.net
http://www.kakariki.net/modules.php?set_albumName=album14&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:27 pm    Post subject:

Those are as good as any pure bredd kakariki I have seen or own, and Im talking 100s if not 1000s

Further to Pabs comments...they are not breed from a tellow and a red ...period., no way...
And if the store owners says he did hes full of crap...sry cant change the reality of those birds...and if the says the yellow is male red female or what ever...it is no different at saying a Eastern Rosella is male western female....or a poddle dog is male dog and a persian cat a female...That is how far out, silly the statement is...Totally different species.

And I can believe a person who breed those beutiful birds could say such a thing

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The only thing I wonder about at the moment is the length of their claws. I read somewhere on the forum that they are supposed to have longer claws than most parrots, but what is the definition of longer? I'd rather not have to clip their claws,


yeah kakariki do have long claws, and when we have had the occassional rescued kakariki from very bad conditions, once they get a bit of health on they bite off the excess anyway
Out of the huge numbers we have breed over the yrs..even those that reach old age....we have never cliped nails
The only time sort of done it is with king and sulphur crested parrots and only because they are big and heavy, very sharp claws hanging on to ones arm or shuold when walking.....we used a manicure nail file to round them off a little.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:51 am    Post subject:

Well, I'm happy with my birds, whether they are hybrids or not. As I wrote earlier, I'm keeping them as pets, so whatever they are is fine with me.

Its also good to know that their claws are of an ok length, then I can go on being a lazy bird owner and just enjoy them.

As far as training goes we are still debating on my taste in books...
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:17 am    Post subject:

im sort of thinking maybe there could have been some confusion between "yellow fronted" and "yellow red fronted" if there is a patch of yellow above the tail ......

so one parent looked like your birds....

did the other look like this......


or this......

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:23 am    Post subject:

oh yeah ..... forgot to say ..... some of my birds bite there toe nails if they are a bit too long others dont but ive only had to cut the nails on one of my hens after she spent ages in the nest box.... her claws were really curled round so much so that when she stood on a flat hard surface her toes roled over sideways.... it was obvious they were too long.... so dont worry about that too much.... and if you dont want to cut them and they are a bit long.... an emery board or nail file works wonders if they are tame thumb
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:09 am    Post subject:

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As far as training goes we are still debating on my taste in books...

Put taming in the quick search block on the left...
Yes would be intersted in the parents from pics May posted above...

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:09 am    Post subject:

May, one of the parents looked like the green one in your pictures. I didn't know that there was such a bird as yellow red fronted, I thought that the only ones in captivity were red fronted or yellow fronted. Thanks a lot! Laughing

Steptoe, the book debate is more on an intellectual level than a real nuisance, taming and training of the birds is in reality going very well.
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