Got a very good friend..spent yrs hunting Deer etc all over NZ
hes only seen/heard 2 kakariki in over 20 yrs.
Oh and see that dropped blue feather above?
That is quite common in sevel of our blood lines...was quite curious to see the same thing in European birds
In case you Euro guys think it is a 'fault' I would seriouslyreconsider that line of thought.
Why was you so quite curius about that feather??
I'm amazed, it's normal ????
2 kakarikis in over 20 years???
Even on a bad day you can see or hear eastgarden ringnecks in the garden. They survive in the wild . In Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Den Haag and in the area around there are several wild breeding colonies of them.
Our very 1st male had the 'drop feather'
Always thought it wa a damaged folice or something, then thev off spring had it....then we sourced a couple more lines, 1 more had it...
It has always been on the back of my mind, and then saw the birds above also had the same..
Dont get me wrong , there are small isolated flocks scattered around NZ..most it seems not too far from human habitation.....illegal releases s????
The native NZ ecology has been ratherscewed up ...orginally we had 1 mammal, a small bat...birds and insects evolved to 'fill' the role of mammals...everything like huge moa that grazed like cattle or bison..to kakariki that behave more like a monkey.
1st the Maori came..burnt off huge areas of bush, and I mean huge huge. Destoried habitats way beyond euopean settlers..and made extinct more species .
In the early days kakariki where a threat to early settler crops, mass destruction, and mass exported (hence why so common off shore) then stoats /rats/possums/deer/ goats/hedgehogs/ferrits/ mice got into the system...any species that was at rise became exinct or nest extinct to levels they could not recover from naturally
Because NZ was mammal/snake free, this is why we consume something like 80% of the world production of 1080 in consevation efforts. _________________ My Spelling is Not Incorrect...It's 'Creative'
Those photos from Peter L to me look as pure a Red crowned as they come.
Very nice looking birds; congrats on a brood of nine, well done.
Over some time and having viewed many birds, I have noticed that some Yellow crowned have a clean crown, that is, no sign of red flecks or hueing, but there is a slight faded patch of yellow behind the eye; however a pure yellow should have no markings behind the eye (if I've got that right?).
This could be a sign of Red blood, not enough to alter/morph the crown but an indication of past crossing.
The patch/no patch difference is perhaps a bigger genetic plumage thing than colour?.
I've tried to avoid breeding from Yellows with any sign of colour behind the eye.
In NZ there could be possibly more chance of pure Reds than Yellows but that might be just my take on it and not actually so? .
Hybridisation is a controversial subject in NZ; In the wild and through aviculturists.
Though Reds and Yellow wont normally cross unless "forced", there are still a lot of birds kept in NZ with "mucky" blood/breeding. I hope pver time this will reduce.
Over some time and having viewed many birds, I have noticed that some Yellow crowned have a clean crown, that is, no sign of red flecks or hueing, but there is a slight faded patch of yellow behind the eye; however a pure yellow should have no markings behind the eye (if I've got that right?).
This could be a sign of Red blood, not enough to alter/morph the crown but an indication of past crossing.
The patch/no patch difference is perhaps a bigger genetic plumage thing than colour?.
I've tried to avoid breeding from Yellows with any sign of colour behind the eye.
In NZ there could be possibly more chance of pure Reds than Yellows but that might be just my take on it and not actually so? .
That is exactly my assement also. im not 100% sure about the faint yellow patch behind the eye....but still agree with your opinion.
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Though Reds and Yellow wont normally cross unless "forced", there are still a lot of birds kept in NZ with "mucky" blood/breeding. I hope pver time this will reduce.
I believe DoC is a lot at fault on this, too damn leaniant on the grandparenting hybrid stock...in my books just destory them, period.
We have kept yellow and red pared in a flight for several seasons, just to see how easy they may cross...not even interested...and put them in a mixed flight...the king interrealates more with the reds than the yellows...it is as if they dont even see each other... I beoieve "Forced" has to be REALLY forced maybe in a tiny dark box??? to get any result...Im not prepare to experiment to that extent. _________________ My Spelling is Not Incorrect...It's 'Creative'
Oh Steps, you always going to complicated stuff. Give them a few drinks, they'll be having sex 5 mins later.
Now seriously, I think in Europe and US isn't that good neither. I wonder if they are so difficult to breed yellow x red, how come most of the stock we have in Europe has traces of hybridizing!??
Hybrides are a problem here in Europe, a lot of birds are hybrids.
I'm somethines very angry , be cause there are people who sell, redcrown and yellowcrown as breeding pair
The pictures down are all different types of hybrids.
The birds, first and second picture, are an accident in my avary:oops:
Even I didn't know, a yellowcrown has sneaky accompanied with a redcrown hen.
Now i'm sell all pure yellowcrown birds to a breeder from Belgium, he is specialized in yellowcrown kakariki's.
Hybrids are nice as single pet, thats it.
I believe yellows and reds, if they are maid, they are like rabbits, even better.
I heard some guy from NZ says something about redcrowns on a movie clip, do you now him ???
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Do you know what happens if there comes an blue mutation of the redcrown kakariki???.
In no time there were also blue yellowcrown mutations.
Only that left is then the word kakariki.
That's a disaster
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Do you know what happens if there comes an blue mutation of the redcrown kakariki....
Only that left is then the word kakariki.
That's a disaster
Now thats a thought....kakariki roughly translates from Moari as "green" or "little parrot"
So A blue mutation would be "kakakikorangi riki" car car key co rang e re key
And the lutinos "kakakowhai riki" ?? car car ko fi re key _________________ My Spelling is Not Incorrect...It's 'Creative'
Now seriously, I think in Europe and US isn't that good neither. I wonder if they are so difficult to breed yellow x red, how come most of the stock we have in Europe has traces of hybridizing!??
Maybe Peter W. can explain a bit about the history of kakariki in Europe.
There is very little known about the history of Kakariki in Europe. The frenchman Delaurier must have been the first with breedingresults. Between 1875 and 1882 he bred 65 Kakariki with 2 pairs. In the early 1970's Kakariki were sold for 2500€. Thats about 5,268.31 NZD (I need a timemachine). Very often it was difficult to find a partner similar to that of the same specie. Thats why many hybrids are born. Just for the money.
Couple things to consider
Reds , yellows and orange lived together for 100s of yrs..it is hard thr believe in that time the never interbreed..
I find it hard to believe that any lines after this time even inthe wild are 100% ..maybe 99.9995% or something.
I have discussed this privately with a genitic scientist in NZ...
It boiled down to along these lines
"we have samples from the british musem and musems in NZ...but at the end of the day, informed private breeders will have from their esperiance have far more accuracy in determining pure breeds than any genetic testing."
Yrs ago we got a breeding line that had a faint tellow (see the banner at the top..thats it...my sick sence of humour)
This line has been breed for many generations back to pure breed till well over 95%...from these lines now, we have not had any yellow appear or throw backs down these lines after server generations. _________________ My Spelling is Not Incorrect...It's 'Creative'
Couple things to consider
Reds , yellows and orange lived together for 100s of yrs..it is hard thr believe in that time the never interbreed..
I find it hard to believe that any lines after this time even inthe wild are 100% ..maybe 99.9995% or something.
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Buller mentioned this several times in his notes. Here are some quotes
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On the Ornithology of New Zealand. Volume 7, 1874
Platycercus auriceps, Kuhl.—Yellow-fronted Parrakeet.
The small red-fronted Parrakeet, supposed by Mr. Bills to be a new species, is nothing but a variety of Platycercus auriceps, with the yellow vertex deeply stained, or rather mixed with red. Mr. Bills states that he found three of these among 600 specimens taken, and one of these marked “male” is in the Canterbury Museum.
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Notes on the Ornithology of New Zealand; with an Exhibition of Rare Specimens. Volume 27, 1894
At Tapuaeharuru, on the Taupo Lake, I saw a fine caged example of this species in which the crown and sides of the head had a wash of yellow over the green.
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A History of the Birds of New Zealand.
Platycercus Auriceps. — (Yellow-Fronted Parrakeet.)
A pretty male bird obtained by Reischek near Dusky Sound, at an elevation of 2000 feet, has the entire plumage tinged with saffron-brown, which is darkest on the breast, shoulders, and upper wing-coverts; the yellow on the vertex is mixed with orpiment-orange; the blue on the bastard quills and primaries is unusually brilliant; the scapulars have a wash of yellow; and the uropygial spots are very indistinct.
I have seen several examples exhibiting marks of red on the vertex and crown;
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