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Peter
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:58 am    Post subject: Descriptions in the early years

I came across this site a while ago. It seems to be of great value as it describes Cyanoramphus N. Novazelandiae at the start of colonization in New Zealand(1800-1850). At this point in time, the damage of the ecologic barrieres between the species was still fresh. Therefore I believe these descriptions are more accurate then those we find today.

http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-BulBird-t1-g1-t1-body-d0-d41.html

What to think about this? Feet: pale brown
And this? Extreme length: 12 inches
Are these standard inches? This would mean 30,5 cm Shocked

Then there is another red fronted specie found on the south Island. In those days it was called 'Platycercus Rowleyi. (Rowley's Parrakeet.)'. It was a little smaller then Auriceps. Does anyone have any idea which specie it refers to?

http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-BulBird-t1-g1-t1-body-d0-d44.html
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:49 pm    Post subject:

Yes I came across tat ages ago...was very interesting
I belive it shows that mutaions where once very common in the wild..
Hence why so many of these where sent off shore in the 1800s ...an why u guys have mutations and we (NZ) dont.

The size 12" ...max
No I would not doubt that either
The maori wouldnt have bothered to eat then if they where too small.
I have a male here near on 11" tip to tail..and not all the tail is there..

This is uncommon....
lets face it Quote DoC..."the red crown is all but extinct in the sth Island now and the yellow is not much better off"

Then add to that DoC will not allow or give permits to harvest wild eggs or capture kakariki...
And as as far as my investgations over the last 5 or 6 yrs go...(DoC again has no idea about capitive kakariki here or off shore) I belive there would be only 3 to 5 blood lines of the pure red kakariki left in NZ....and these are mostly inbreeded lines...all the rest are hybrids.

The wilds on off shore islands mainly inroduced by DoC are from a vey limitted stock, and in at least one case released hybrids.

Taking all this into account, the rating for kakariki as "threatened but stable" on the endangered species list is a load of crap...they are now highly endangered.

The kakarki we have now, are nothing like those even from the 1920s and 30s as described to me by old retired farmers and such over the last 20 od yrs.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:09 am    Post subject:

Thanks for your reply Steps. Do you have any idea where 'Platycercus Rowleyi (Rowley's Parrakeet)' stands for? Could it be somekind of local variation of C Novaezelandiae?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:31 am    Post subject:

No... not at the moment..sort of busy rebuilding avairies, looking for new house to buy, sellng our house...rather short on time for everything at the moment...
Without going right into it...Im thinking Antipodies or as often happened back before DNA, species are confused with mutations/hybrids ...
Which it s amazing the identified the orange....breeders identified the orange as a separate species, but it was only in very resent yrs that DoC offically identified it as a species rather than a hybrid between yellow and red.

Im wondering if a hybrid between red and orange...the smaller bird and more delicate????

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:52 pm    Post subject:

Steptoe wrote:

Im wondering if a hybrid between red and orange...the smaller bird and more delicate????


Seems the most plausible. According to the text, there were no Orange fronteds on the North Island. Their territory was generally the Southern Alps. Platycercus Rowleyi was found along this mountain range from Canterbury North to the Dusky Sound. Non of this specie was found on the North Island.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:52 pm    Post subject:

Yep that was how I reasoned it...and I dont seem to be able to find any modern references to a species Platycercus Rowleyi...even to say its extinct ???

Thu this thread is #2 in google, which if there where other references information Im sure google wouldnt place it so high

Interesting looks like they found a new non existantr species of kakariki that is now eextinct :fun:

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:57 pm    Post subject:

If we work out this theory further to the Platycercus Aucklandicus of the Auckland Islands, a smaller specie, which had/has an intermediate size between Platycercus Novaezelandiae and Platycercus Auriceps. Today we know that on that Island Cyanoramphus n. Novaezelandiae interbreed with Cyanoramphus Auriceps.
In the last 200 years there was verry little interference of human. An attempt to colonize this island lasted 2 years. Nowadays only wildlife entousiasts are aloud. Only rats, cats, pigs etc have influenced the wildlife. But 200 years ago there were no predators.

This would imply that not only humans and predators are of influence but, instead of that, nature itself.
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