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Peter
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 5:16 am    Post subject: Modification or new mutation?

I've found this bird on a birdsale this weekend. The salesman didn't know what the cause is of his colour. It is a mix of the normal with Cinnamon. Also the feet are those of a Cinnamon. Although his feathercondition is in a bad shape, he is very healty.
I have no idea whether it is a mutation or a modification.



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:32 am    Post subject:

Oh I wish we had mutations in NZ
Could it not just be a mix of random mutaions over a couple generations?
If someone had several mutations, fallow pied, cinimmon, and just started to radommy breed .

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Peter
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:34 am    Post subject:

Steptoe wrote:
Oh I wish we had mutations in NZ

Probably you have. Most mutations are recessive. That means they are hidden. You need to do some inbreeding to let it pop up. Since you guys are forced to kill most of your birds, a possible hidden mutation can't come to the surface.


Steptoe wrote:
Could it not just be a mix of random mutaions over a couple generations?
If someone had several mutations, fallow pied, cinimmon, and just started to radommy breed .

I agree it looks like that but it isn't simple. A mutation usually affect the whole bird. Not partially. A bird can be complete Cinnamon or not. When you combine this with pied then you have a Cinnamon pied. If we then combine this with Fallow then that bird becomes almost total yellow.
If this is a mutation then it is something different than the other mutations we know by now.
There has been another post made by Hilly from Australia about a similar bird like this. I wonder what happened with that bird.
http://www.kakariki.sytes.net/ftopict-834.html&sid=dc92ccb1ef11cc2a2a3aacbe950b044e
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:59 pm    Post subject:

Peter, I have a pair that produce simillar looking birds. the parents are a cinnamon pied hen with green pied cock. to date they have produced 3 such birds . All 3 young have been cinnamon with varying amounts of normal green feathers through out the bird. on the down side none of these birds have made it to maturity.
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Peter
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:24 pm    Post subject:

wyndara wrote:
Peter, I have a pair that produce simillar looking birds. the parents are a cinnamon pied hen with green pied cock. to date they have produced 3 such birds.


Do you know what sexe they had? Did the parents produce something else besides those 3?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:08 am    Post subject:

Peter the adult pair are still breeding with young in the nest now. The last 2 clutches have only produced cinnanon and green pied birds, all healthy strong birds . the 3 part cinn part green birds all found different ways to kill themselves. They all were large healthy nicely feathered birds. I think Hillys bird also died dont know under what circumstances though. Peter your bird appears to be green with cinnamon, mine were all cinnamon with green patches.Your bird also seems to display the cinnamon markings were you see pied patterns ie back of head, neck ring,rump etc. It will be interesting to see if this colouring can be reproduced with any consistancy or if at all.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:11 am    Post subject:

Sorry Peter they had a cock and 2 hens.
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Peter
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:16 am    Post subject:

wyndara wrote:
Your bird also seems to display the cinnamon markings were you see pied patterns ie back of head, neck ring,rump etc. It will be interesting to see if this colouring can be reproduced with any consistancy or if at all.

I agree with that. But I'm still not sure which color I'm going to use to pair him up. A cinnamon, a normal or a pied.


wyndara wrote:
Peter your bird appears to be green with cinnamon, mine were all cinnamon with green patches.


The bird below is of a french breeder. Probably this is the type that you have bred.

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