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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 11:46 am    Post subject: what's wrong with his eyes??

wahhh! now what's going on....

his left is allot worse than his right, they look bare and sore

he doesn't seem to be paying much more attention to them, but now i'm watching I've seen him rub his face against the perch and with his foot a few times

i'm worried sick

i rang the emergency vet, and he just said there was nothing he could do without seeing him and to keep him comfortable for now but it sounds like he's irritated it

there is nothing new around the cages that i can think off

i have ivermectin so going to give him a drop tonight


does anybody know what i could wash his eyes with,
maybe chamomile tea, or a weak vanodine solution?



i love my baby to pieces!


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 7:56 am    Post subject:

It could be the early stsages of some sort of mite infection, so yes a couple drops ivermectin on the slin on the back of the neck could be appropiate....thats what I would do
There doesnt seem to be any secondary infection yet...
I would still check with a vet, as it could also be something else in the eyes its self.
If eye drops are required check with the vet.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:00 pm    Post subject:

Hi!

just had a similar case and ivermectin seemed to work.
Tomorrow 2nd application and I hope it all remains well.

By the way, just to make clear, don't apply ivermectin in the eye, only 1-2 drops in the skin of the back of the neck.

To wash the eye I think you can use a saline solution same as we use for humans (artificial eyedrops, or simple pedialyte? don't know the name in english).

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:19 pm    Post subject:

thanks guys, i applied ivermectin to both kaks, on the skin same as the other birds :)

it don't seem as raw and red now, been dripping weak chamomile tea on to it each night before bed time

and removed everything from cage
but a few perchs
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:55 am    Post subject:

I believe this is avian conjunctivitis. Very often it is accompanied by disorders of the upper respiratory tract. It can be caused by bacteria, fungi, worms or protozoa.
Most likely it is caused by bacteria. This is easely to treat with Doxycyclin (antibiotics). Also human eye ointment can solve the problem. For example Terra-cortril, Oxytet, Terramycin etc.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:38 am    Post subject:

we went to the avian vet in the end, and are treating for psittacosis

poor girl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
she is in strict quarantine, and i'm not enjoying wearing a mask around her, but it's this or have the whole flock destroyed
she's not allowedany off her veg or goodies to encouage more water intake
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 8:17 am    Post subject:

Hi,

be very careful when managing the birds and if I were you I would get a second opinion on the PBFD diagnostic.
Have you checked the rest of your flock?

Best wishes and I hope your kike recovers. As far as I know there are now some antibiotics that apparently can fight PBFD.

Best of luck,

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 8:22 am    Post subject:

she is undergoing treatment for it
going to last for 45 days, it was either we have it a go or had the whole flock destroyed
there is always hope

i refused to wait 10 days for the poo test, even longer around christmas time
as we couldn't test & treat at the same time
so went straight ahead with treatment and if it fails go ahead with more tests

so far she is improving well
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 8:42 am    Post subject:

that sounds good.

Good luck!

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 8:47 am    Post subject:

Psittacosis or parrot disease is one of the causes of avian conjunctivitis. It is very infectious for other birds and humans as well. One of the symptoms is a fluorescent green stool. The dead rate is high. Therefore I have a slight feeling that this isn't the cause. Anyway, psittacosis or not, you have to treat this with Doxycyclin and this will solve the eye problem.
Don't forget to remove all mineral blocks cause Doxycyclin binds with Calcium and gets ineffective .
If it is really psittacosis than the whole flock has to be treated. Also the environment has to be mistsprayed every day with a disinfectant because the disease is airborn.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 8:54 am    Post subject:

Peter,

I had a slight feeling as well that either the diagnostic or the treatment was not really precise but as I don't have experience or enough knowledge I prefered to keep silence, especially when it's such a delicate issue.

About doxyciclin, which dose do you normally administer for your kakariki and which formula do you normally use or is best?
Powder, syrup, pills?
I must buy some myself in case some bird gets sick have it handy already. It's in my shopping list.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:07 am    Post subject:

Pablo, I have always Ornicure (Oropharma), a powder, in the medicin cabinet. The most effective way is to sprinkle it generously over the food. There are also droppers for administration in the beak but I have no experience with that.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:11 am    Post subject:




what we were given, have covered our address with pen
just in case there is loons out there

also got plenty off bags and measurement syringes

we have been going crazy with the vanodine, even washing the walls!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:26 pm    Post subject:

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The most effective way is to sprinkle it generously over the food.

I have found to get a required does of what ever into birds orally is to hold back veggies for a feed or day....then on several of the most 'popular' items of veggies (say sweetcorn or peas ) only give these and only 3 or 4 of each.
They are hungry and they eat the lot....then give them the full handfull of normal veggies.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 10:35 pm    Post subject:

Forgot to mention. Never add the Doxycyclin to the drinkingwater. It binds with the calcium in the water. Most vets recommend to use calcium free spring water but I have found this isn't sufficient. The need to drink varies from bird to bird and from season to season. This can only leed to inaccurate doses.
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