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foxman
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 1:06 am    Post subject: Fallow kakarikis

Could somebody please tell me if mating a dark faze fallow hen to a normal cock will produce all split to fallow young. My hen has 5 normal chicks in the nest. Regards Laurie.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 1:19 am    Post subject:

Yes, all chicks will be split to Fallow.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 1:36 am    Post subject: Fallow kakarikis

Thank you Peter, could you please tell me the difference between light faze genes and dark faze or are they connected, I have a number of both and do not know should I keep them seperate. Laurie.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:00 am    Post subject: Fallow kakarikis

Peter, do you know what i mean by dark faze fallow and light faze fallow,i am a learner but i think that is the right name for them. Cheers Laurie.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:11 am    Post subject: Re: Fallow kakarikis

foxman wrote:
Thank you Peter, could you please tell me the difference between light faze genes and dark faze or are they connected, I have a number of both and do not know should I keep them seperate. Laurie.


This is something I puzzled my head over. So far I believe they are both belonging to the same gene. The difference is only individual. I noticed this difference in normals as well.
Combinations of Fallow and Cinnamon results in a Lutino looking bird.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:23 am    Post subject: Fallow kakarikis

Thank you again Peter, i would like to show you my fallows but i am not very good on the computer, and i dont know how to put a photo on. Laurie.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 8:08 am    Post subject:

Hi,

I don't have experience with fallow kakariki, but... in cockatiels there are 2 mutations I know of that have variable expressivity, this meaning the same mutation can result in different shades of color depending on the individual.
One of them is edged (dominant silver), and the ohter one ash-fallow (recesive silver).

http://www.birdhobbyist.com/parrotcolour/terry/fallow01.html
As per the classification proposed by Terry Martin, ash fallow would fall under the "grey fallow" class.

Do you think it's the same class for the fallow kakariki?
I remember Peter explained me about this but right now I don't remember.

I was just curious.

Cheers / Pablo

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 8:28 am    Post subject:

Pablo,
I believe that the Fallow Kakariki is a Bronze Fallow because it's the only Fallow in other species that has a visible iris. All others don't display an iris.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 8:40 am    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 3:10 pm    Post subject: Fallow kakarikis

Hi Peter and Pabloc,Merry christmas, I have 4 what I call light faze fallows 3 hens and 1 cock, and 4 dark faze 2 cocks both pied and 2 hens not pied.all have a red eye with a destinct iris. My lutinos have a clear red eye ,but they are comming from the same pairs of birds. It is all very confusing. Iam breeding them to normals to see if i can sort the genes out at all.Regards Laurie.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 10:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Fallow kakarikis

foxman wrote:
My lutinos have a clear red eye ,but they are comming from the same pairs of birds.


Then they are a combination of Fallow (and probably cinnamon) and recessive pied(BEC). The recessive pied gene removes the iris to some degree.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:23 pm    Post subject: Fallow kakarikis

Peter, you are right on every point. The parents are pied/ BEC cock to a cinnamon pied /BEC Hen. and pied cock/BEC /cinnamon to a yellow BEC hen. Both pairs throw fallow light and dark, and both pairs throw lutino,both throw yellow BEC as well as pieds and cinnamon pieds,quite a mix.
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