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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:55 am    Post subject: HELP!! sick parrot

hi everyone...
been a while since my last post as iv,e been resting my kaks.
they have just started nesting, i have eggs in both boxes but one of my hens has started to look very ill ... she unsteady .. weak and cant sustain flight.
she normally wont let me anywhere near her as she is very funny about people ever since i bought her but now she's not even bothered she is just sat they half asleep.
now this has happened twice before with another hen and after an hour or two she snapped out of it and was fine.
iv'e checked underneath her becouse she is nesting and i was worried she could be egg bound and there doesn't seem to be any egg showing unless this can happen within... there is only one avian vet i can find who specialises in exotic birds but he's only in on tuesdays can anyone help pleaseeeee.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:17 am    Post subject:

From you description and events lewading up..I strongly suspect egg binding...
Run a forum seach for egg binding...
We have collected some good info/ instructions in a couple old threads.

Quick search block on the left or the search button above.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:17 am    Post subject:

Hi,

take a look here:
http://www.kakariki.net/ftopict-233.html

Sick birds, in general, need heat. Ideally a small cage (show cage type) with a heat source, indoors.

Hope this helps!

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:50 pm    Post subject:

great news ... after hearing the hen make alot of distressful noises i went to investigate thinking the worst but to my suprise there was a VERY large egg in comparison to the others just layed .... within half hour of this she was back to her usual self.
i guess im very lucky as i could feel that the egg was hard inside her ... she's only tiny aswell bless !!! thanks for all your replies .

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:55 pm    Post subject:

I strongly advise that you giver her a little olive oil in her veggies, or even by eye dropper along with a calcuim mineral suppliment at the same time.

It is very rare that once egg bound a hen will servive.
We have lost one, after great efforts and a 2nd I euthenased.
This may sound a bitn 'off' to those a little sensitive...The one I euthenised I then took thwe opporutinty to feel for the egg without fear of hurting her, and practiced forcing oil inside, massaged and forced the egg out.
I know know what to feel for, where and how much force is required without breaking the egg.
In retrospect, the egg had hardened inside and was glad I did euthas her.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 7:26 am    Post subject:

hey guys ... did as you said and all is fine she was hanging upside down today basically bk to her old self .. quick question this hen left her last batch right at the last minute leaving me to have to hand rear... very rewarding but never again thank you!!! i have another pair nesting and laying in exact unison... now i am pretty sure this pair will not produce as the male shows no interest in the hen at all... doesn't even stand on same perch, feed, mate anything... i think he may be gay! signlol.
should i leave the hen to nest just in case the other hen abandons again maybe the second hen could foster???

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 9:00 am    Post subject:

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maybe the second hen could foster???

yep we swap eggs, chicks quite often....
A kakatiki will also raise lage parrots like ling...where the chick is bigger than them.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 1:28 pm    Post subject:

thanks once again just one last question.... is it normal for a male to show no interest at all even when the hen is willing ????
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 2:49 pm    Post subject:

Would not call it normal....but often espec when people are right into breeding mutations, or certain chactoristics, both may have no interest in each other or only interest from one side...
In most bird species its the female who ultimately chooses their partner, althu often it is the male who shows intial interest.

Yrs ago I used to wall so often mating up certain pairs, going for bigger better , hardier wilds.....To put it mildly it was just down right bloody frustraing and the results not always as expected.
Then 1 yr I just thru them all in 1 flight with a heap of nesting boxes, they chose their own mates, then I isolated sorted them and their nesting boxes to other flights....the arguements in the big flight got quite agreesive...but it was a reliable way for "Oh well thats another pair paired off, better move them"

The result of this was bigger better hardier, increased fertilty, better parents, more eggs, stronger chicks...and more intellegent.
Natural selection is the only way to go....
Even a tiny little female, one that I would not select, would produce amazing big birds

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:30 pm    Post subject:

I agree Steptoe!
If u want certain types of birds mating up, try to get as many birds as u have space 4.
Put them in 2 flights (or 4 if u can) and separate the types u don´t want to mate, this allowes them to choose a partner naturally and at the same time u can select the type of birds u want to breed (just not on a individual level).
Then when u save some of the offspring - put them in the other flight to avoid inbreeding.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:24 am    Post subject:

problem is i only have 2 pair and i juvenile which was the result of last years failed atemps i had to hand rear him ....i want to expand big time i luv the little fellas but im not going to until i have enought experience e.g outdoor avairy instead of this poxy indoor one. ive tried uploading some photo's but after 4 hours trying to upload sum last night i gave in. any tips or ideas what im doing wrong it just keeps saying uploading but never finishes.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:05 am    Post subject:

hi bruce,

for those of us that don't have a lot of space there's always the option of trying different pairs, or adding a new pair every now and then from whatever is available in the market.
Letting the birds choose a partner is advisable, but not indispensable.

When we start keeping birds usually we have far from ideal/convenient facilites (many times a bird or a couple of birds in cages), then some people get hooked up with this hobby and start to get serious about it, build new aviaries, etc..

Sometimes when I look back I'm surprised I have developed such passion for birds, mutations, etc...
In fact for about 3 yrs my girlfriend would tell me stuff about her lovebirds and I liked them, but in the beginning I just enjoyed watching them once in a while, I did not have a feeling of wanting to keep birds myself. Then I bought a pair of lvebirds for my gf for her birthday and something clicked and I started to get more interested.
But I wouldn't have ever thought I would be building cages/aviaries to breed birds, I did not have a clue what a kakariki was 5 yrs ago and I barely knew about parrots or parakeets, other than budgies, lovebirds and patagonian conures (because my gf has a patagonian conure in her aviary).

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:16 am    Post subject:

thanks for the info pabloc
i agree everyone starts as a beginner even you jedi masters of the kakariki community .... the important thing is that when you comit to something like this you do your research and dont be scared to ask questions .... i find that when it comes to research things can get left out so its good to have people like yourselves to ask these questions in depth.
like ive said before .. id be lost without this site .. keep up the good work guys.

one last thing still cant get my photos on i know how to do it it just wont finish any clues please?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:51 am    Post subject:

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one last thing still cant get my photos on i know how to do it it just wont finish any clues please

OK keep in mind this server is an old coputer in my office.
Sometimes when uploading very large files from the internet, due to latency and BW issues it can time out...sometimes even locking up the server.
Thewre is this in the how to section...these instructions should be used , not just for uploading pics to the internet but sending to friends and stuff by email,
http://www.kakariki.net/ftopict-616.html

An importanyt thing when taking up an interst or hobby, is that one has the facilties to do so.
I have come across people who want to resto or build a hot rod...and are renting and lucky to have a small garage...
1/ If one moves, thats one hell off a disprution and often damage to the project
2/ In a small garage there is no way to have the min room to set up welders, tools, benches and still have room to work.
3/To even start such a project under such conditions the crampted space, hassles will put one off ever doing it again in the future or even get 1/2 way thru the 1st project.

The min requirements to have 3 breeding pair:
3 Flights at least 1.2 M X 2.4 M long 1.8M H
1 holding flight at least 2x the size of one of the above
3 isloation cages about 700mm x 700mm x 500mm H
Preferably 1 spare flight for when things go wrong

And like hot roding..its not just about driving, its also about the building..
Building your flights, putting in automatic watering etc

Then Comes the expense of keeping...1 or 2birds one can feed from kitchen scrapes IF one prepares meals and not lives out of packets.
Any more a veggie garden.
For the above, dwarf beans, spinage, silver beet, radishes, beetroot, pumkin, capsicum, letice tomatoes...few herbs, parsley, sage, tyme etc
In winter cali broccolli
A veggie patch about 2.5 M wide 7 to 10 m long will provide most of the feed for the birds, freezing access, and provide fresh veggies for 2 adults.
Also a 600mm strip down a fench line to cultivate 'weeds' like dandlion puha (milk thistle)

We breed 6 to 10 pair kakariki, plus kings crimson burkes turqs as a side line...At anyone time we have between 40 and just over 100 parrots.
Adding up expenses per yr, right down to water, cuttlefish, sand for floors, comesto about $NZ 1500.

"Guru" interesting comment...and very apropiate...there are 2 sorts of people in hobbies
1/Those who set up the bare min , use up a lot of time, effort and money continuoisly muddling thru and always remain in awe of the Gurus.
2/ The gurus..who start off muddling thru, find expense, time etc starts to be come a hassle, still love the birds....get off their backsides and do something about it.... work hard at being lazy...
Auto watering, an afternoons work ..garden irrigation kit... grow veggies.

The basic difference between the 2 is thinking things thru, and getting off ones backside.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:36 am    Post subject:

bruce,

I'm a long way from being anything like a jedi apprentice, lots of things to improve in my facilities and the way I look after my birds.

Cheers / Pablo

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