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tkdninja
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:32 am    Post subject: is he ill

i've had my kakariki from round xmas time and he has been great i noticed a while back that he had bald patches so i removed my budgies from the equation (as they are bullies) and left kaks with my cockatiel chico. they get on brilliant and from ive seperated the budgies his feathers have grown back.
i've noticed that he's been keeping his feathers puffed out and sitting sleeping at bottom of the cage most of the time (noticed it last night) i.ve also noticed that hes not as lively and feels to be very fragile (all feathers if that makes sense) i have contacted my vet but they have no cle about birds and i do not know of any avarian vets around here at all.

im very worried about kaks and would like some advise as to what is wrong and what i can do to help him. is it possible that it wasnt my budgies plucking his feathers but someting completely different.

ps he is kept warm and still eating ! Sad
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:55 pm    Post subject:

hi!

I'd advice to take a quick search (you have a quicksearch block on the left) on words like feather, plucking, etc...

A bird sitting on the bottom of the cage, ruffled up, is a bad sign.

Feather condition and feather plucking can be caused by different reasons, be it diet, worms, lack of bath, etc...

Hope this helps! and w3c to the community!

Cheers / Pablo

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:12 am    Post subject:

tkdninja,

How is your bird doing?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:50 am    Post subject:

thanks for the replies advice very much apprecited.
heres the update. the feather plucking started again so i spoke to an avarian vet and have had the bird diagnosed as being depressed. i have changed his food, put more activity's in for him to play with. hes not out all day everyday and hes still depressed. i have bathed him fed him from my mouth gave him tlc. had him on his own and had him mix with my other birds and the results are hes still depressed. (he does eat) but he looks so sad and just sits in the 1 place all the time and still plucking.

i dont know what else to do i am completely out of ideas the only other thing i can think of is getting him a female??
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 7:17 am    Post subject:

Poor bird, poor you!
Seems like the both of you are caught in a circkle.

A depressed kakariki, wow, thatís a new one to me.
Ok, I'll give it my best shot. Let's hope together we can think of something to help you and your bird.

First some questions..

Did the avarian check for viruses that might make his skin itchy? Things like PBFD?
Allergies, disfunctional moulting? Infection of the follikels?
Does he get enough hours sleep? Enough daylight hours? Enough sunlight?

Still eating but not gaining weight you said.. worms?

Depression can also be caused by lack or exces/ disbalance of certain vitamins, minerals
Did you see what most people on here feed their kakís. Is it comparable with what you feed him?

Are his wings clipped?
Not being able to fly is bad news for such an energetic bird as a kak. And the growing back of the feathers could irritate him.


Lets say he does get the right food, enough day and night hours, the vet checked for all the above and you did not cut his wingsÖ.the only conclusion I can think of then is boredom/ stress.

In that case itís not so much an illness but more a matter of disturbed behavior.
A bird in nature, when on a safe and quiet place, will take advantage of that by taking care of his feathers.
This taking care of his suit is soon associated with that happy and safe feeling.
Now, if a bird is unhappy, and he can't do anything about his unhappiness, or he canít ab react, he might start grooming just to try go back tot that happy feeling.

The more and the longer the stress, the more he longs for that happy feeling, the more fanatic he plucks and rearranges his feathers.
Feathers that grow back are covered by a kind of " sleeve" ( sorry, don't know the English word for it) . That sleeve might prickle him, specially when there are many of them.. .and he soon ends up in a circle of pulling old feathers out and destroying the new ones as soon as they start growing back as well.

If it is boredom, a new friend could help.. however, it just as well might make things worse.
It might be love at first sight, they might fight to the death and anything in between.
Do you know of a kakariki breeder you could let him stay with for a while to see if the breeder owns a bird he get's along with?

There are also other, more simple things you could try.. He still eats you say?
You can make toys out of foodÖ give him a slightly crushed walnut. So he has to work to get to the nut.
You can make a swing by hanging half an orange or apple on top of his cage.
Slightly out of reach . Make a string of corn.. use arabic gum to hide/ cover his fav food. Things like that. Offer him a challenge. Mine can play for hours with a brightly coloured plastic bottle cap.

Did you try keeping the radio on when you are not around?
Try find a program with a lot of talking.
Make sure the radio is not in the same room as he is. Kakarikiís are smart. You want him to believe there are people in the house he can hear but not see Wink

In the Netherlands we have stuff to prevent kids from biting nails.. it tastes bitter.
You might want to try something similar available in your country. DONíT use on open skin!

Pay no attention to his plucking.. not everÖ no matter how sad you feel for him or how angry it makes you.
Instead.. give him extra attention when he is not plucking.

Have you thought about letting him stay with a good friend of yours for a while?
Just to see if the change of environment helps.
It might give you a better clue to what could be the cause.

Ok.. that's all I can think of for now. I hope there is something in this long epistel that might ring a bell with you.
I keep my fingers crossed for the both of you.

Don't hesitate to ask ask ask on here! We learn from your questions as well!
keep us posted,

Kind regards,

Geertje
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:44 am    Post subject:

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A depressed kakariki, wow, thatís a new one to me.

Well have seen drepressed kakariki...resuced in bad condituion....which after several months of good diet in a outdoor avairy come fine.

Feather plucking...now that is the suprise... 30 yrs and this is the 1st case of feather plucking I know or even heard of in kakariki.

Depression/feather plucking, I believe can be applied to near all other parrot species except kakariki....The bird maybe depressed but the feather plucking, I have seruois doubts.
Worms...well before the bird gets to a plucking stage, it rolls over dead
Mites/skin infection, beak and feather....yes pretty much about what Gee says above.

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had my kakariki from round xmas time..........
i've noticed that he's been keeping his feathers puffed out and sitting sleeping at bottom of the cage most of the time (noticed it last night) i.ve also noticed that hes not as lively and feels to be very fragile


Do you have any idea the age of your bird?
Was he always quiet?
Do u have any blue budgies he was with?
This is important....Have u actually watch/seen it pulling a feather out?....it normally takes a while
Is there any response to new toys placed near by?
When was the last time u saw him fly?
Did the vet inspect the skin and frathers with a magnifing glass or similar instrument?
I do not mean this thu
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and he soon ends up in a circle of pulling old feathers out and destroying the new ones as soon as they start growing back as well


I am leaning towards u have a 'faulty' kakariki.....What u are describing is a bird that comes out of the nest fine, then for some reason, which I believe to be an internal defect, months later, it becomes weaker and weaker, eventually sitting on the floor, puffed up for several weeks then dies.
Or its a vit and mineral deficiency.

This is why responsable breeders do not sell young birds.
1/ defects show up
2/With defects showing up they can then follow thru if a regular occurance withing a certain blood line and cull that line back several generations.
Unfortunately this doesnt happen as often as it should.

In the mean time the bird needs doesng with invermectin repeated 10 to 12 days 2x, apple cider vinegar in the veggies every 2 or 3 days......A mist spray of 50/50 vinegar and water (this is going to sting on any open wornds) repeated every 10 or 12 days... the whole cage and bird.
Needs calcuim, phosphorus, iron, protein, citric acid. magnesuim and zinc, oil/fat (bit of olive/raw palm (orange stuff) about 0.3gm per day, meat with some fats on it
Mint, sage, sprigs of NZ tea tree (manuka/tanuka)
Ca and phos for feather bone
Iron protein citric acid to build up muscle and blood
Mg and Zn for immune system.
Olls and fats to help devalope its own oil glands and add to them
mint herbs as insevticides and help with pruning.

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Do you know of a kakariki breeder you could let him stay with for a while to see if the breeder owns a bird he get's along with?

The idea is good in principle, but a good breeder will not have a known suspect bird close to his stock.

Try the other stuff gee mentions.

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