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kissis4ever
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:09 am    Post subject: often ill

Since several months I have five kakariki in the cage outside (the weather is very changeable Netherlands. The aviary is covered and they sleep inside) where I've bought kakariki's they were in a heated barn.
Now are the kakariki (especially the females) still a little sick. They let fall feathers and they are also lethargic.
Now I have a female inside my house because she is sick.
Does anyone know why my birds are still sick? Is it perhaps the moult? Whether the difference in temprature?
I can not take turns at home to get well and then back in the cage for them to take back home
I hope you understand me, my native tongue is Dutch Whistle
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:43 am    Post subject:

Hi Kissis,

Sorry to hear your birds still aren't feeling well!
I've been reading your posts on the kakariki forum of Henk van Gool.

Have you ever heard of Hedwig v.d. Horst?
She is an excellent Dutch vet, specialised in birds. You can call her or/and send her some fresh bird droppings.
Wrap them in some lamina ( zilverfolie) and put the wrap in an enveloppe along with a note describing the phenomena and your return adress.
She will examen the droppings and send you the results.

I can Really recommend her, she is one of the best in the Netherlands!

This is her adress:
Bijzondere dierenpraktijk "Den Horst"
Wintelresedijk 51
Mevr. Dr. H. van der Horst
5507 PP Veldhoven
Tel: 040 - 2053097

Good luck and groetjes,

Gee
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:51 am    Post subject:

One question Kissis,

Just in case;
I plan on buying a kakariki this weekend. I saw a picture of the little one and it shows a barn with a few kakariki's..... did you buy yours in Breda?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 8:24 am    Post subject:

No from friesland
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 8:44 am    Post subject:

Ok, thanks for the quick responce!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 9:12 am    Post subject:

ok thanks for the response so far
But nobody has experience with large differences in temprature and diseases?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:24 am    Post subject:

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But nobody has experience with large differences in temprature and diseases?

In the wild, kakariki experiance huge changes from hot days to frostly even snow.
Our kakariki have currently day temps of just over 16deg C to frost at night, morning.
Warm temps over a period then cold snaps and visa versa also do not affect kakariki.

But when on breeds/produces and animal intensity, be it cows, pigs, poultry, dease is always a huge risk...

Feathers falling out....I would certainly be doing what Gee advisers, send samples, but not only of the droppings but blood sample.
unfortunanatly ?Im thinking feather and beak ......

In the mean time , invermecten on thr back of the neck, apple cider vinegar in the vegg mix every couple days, and mist spray 50/50 vinegar and water soln once a week.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:29 am    Post subject:

I definitly have experience with tempature fluctuations. We are often the coldest, livable place on earth, yet can hit 38C in summer. I'm no expert but here are my thoughts....

Wild or out door raised birds can handle fluctuations. They build up an "immunity" to tempature differences. Birds kept at the same tempature their whole life have huge issues when that tempature changes. Where I live all pet birds are kept indoors, but even then house tempatures vary greatly. I purchased a finch awhile back from an apartment dweller who had a very "hot" apartment. The bird arrived here and was placed in our basement by the walkout door. It died within a few days. Pretty sure it had to do with the difference in climate. Poor thing had probably never experienced fresh air either. I also have outdoor chickens who this winter everyone of them layed an egg on a -36C day and they have no heat in their coop. Alot of people here even find it hard to believe that chickens can survive winter without any heat source. Mine don't know there is such a thing as heated coops so happily live without one.

I try to find out how birds were housed at their preivious home and then slowly adjust them to our house. A lot of people cover their birds at night- both to quiet them and to "Keep them warm". I've yet to see mother nature drapping cloths over birds in the wild, but if they have been covered before, I cover them for the first few nights. If you think about it- nights are usually coldest and the wild birds do fine. Maybe it even helps them to have the coldest part of the day also the least active?? Affects their metabolism??? Who knows and I will never know because I will never be a bird. They are smarter then us when it comes to knowing about birds.

Your birds may very well have developed a flu from the cold, or any other thing that is different at your house. They could be just trying to adjust to all the changes. It may just take time. Controlled housing to me is not great since every person lives different. Some people here keep their aviaries at a certain tempature and humidity- but what happens when the birds go to a new home? Mother nature is anything but precise. Or they could have a diesease that showed up when their conditions adjusted. If it is not too much money, I would get a Vet check up. And definitely a blood check if you have other birds. Don't want to find out later the new birds brought a disease to your aviary.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:01 pm    Post subject:

Personally I think u are correct..not just temps but humidity diet and other factors to.
One thing is sure avairy raised birds are bigger tougher, and far more dease resistant.

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A lot of people cover their birds at night- both to quiet them and to "Keep them warm". I've yet to see mother nature drapping cloths over birds in the wild,

We Dont cover our house parrots...
If someone walks into the room where they are at night, turns the light on fills the kettle, makes a cuppa...they wake up, doesnt take much.
If they are covered they dont have a clue what is going on...neroius.
No cover, once used to stuff around them, open an eye, dont even bother lifting their head from under the wing, see whats up and go back tp sleep...or at very lease, keep watching but still with their head in the feathers.

yeah Canada is pretty extreme.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:54 am    Post subject:

chickens surviving -36, not only surviving... but even laying eggs... I bet those chickens can stand a nuclear bomb!
pretty amazing
are they a special breed?

(sorry for off-topic, I just found it quite interesting this thing about the chickens)

cheers / p.

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