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FIRST PAIR, Pied cock + Yellow Hen WHAT CAN THEY PRODUCE

 
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kiwi_the_kakariki
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 5:00 pm    Post subject: FIRST PAIR, Pied cock + Yellow Hen WHAT CAN THEY PRODUCE

HI GUYS THIS IS MY FIRST BREEDING PAIR, A PIED COCK AND A YELLOW HEN.
BOTH YOUNG AND BONDED NICELY.
WHAT CAN THESE TWO PRODUCE? IM THINKING ABOUT HAND REARING CHICKS.



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:35 am    Post subject:

hi!

in my opinion you have a
Male: Dominant pied
Female: Dominant pied and recessive pied (aka DEC, BEC, Goldcheck, golden yellow, etc..)

You will get dominant pied chicks for sure (with a variable green-yellow pattern)
In case the male is split recessive pied you will also get yellow birds like the hen.

On the other hand, in my humble opinion, the hen shows some signs of hybridisation (faded red cheek-spot and yellow scattered in the red crown), so I would respectfully suggest you sell that female (preferably to someone that just wants a pet, not to breed) and find another kakariki hen of better quality to breed yourself.

And also... I would suggest that you let the parents rise 1 or 2 clutches before you handfeed, so you get some sort of background of how the chicks develop and grow, I think it will help you a lot.

cheers / Pablo

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:19 pm    Post subject:

they're both only young and their colour is still developing. but I will definatley be keeping an eye on her. is their a DNA test that can confirm her bloodline?
Thanks for that info.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:36 pm    Post subject:

hello m8

as far as I know only DNA sexing is readily available for birds, I don't think there are any labs that can check for bloodline/hybridisation.

But don't feel bad or anything about it, I think many of us have accidentally come across hybrid kakariki, as there is not a lot of information. When I began I had a nice male and an hybrid female. The male I still keep it today, the female I removed her to the holding aviary and didn't use her to breed anymore (she died a couple of yrs ago anyway).

Also.... my very first "pair" of birds... epic fail... 2 hybrids (personatus x fisheri), and I noticed they were 2 females when I saw a dozen eggs in the nestbox.

So I'm kinda sensitive with this hybrid issue and I prefer to let people know if they have an hybrid bird. I felt cheated myself when I realized my birds were not what I supposed them to be.
Some people don't like it when you point out to them they have hybrids, and they become defensive and make up excuses, some others don't believe you, some others are grateful.

This is like people selling young cockatiels sexed by pelvic bones... it really pisses me off because that's full of bs.
Then a guy after waiting 6-8 months finds out he has 2 males or 2 females. Not fair to cheat people like that.

I may not be popular, but I prefer to be honest.

Cheers/ Pabs

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:12 pm    Post subject:

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On the other hand, in my humble opinion, the hen shows some signs of hybridisation (faded red cheek-spot and yellow scattered in the red crown),


Good pick Pab...
DNA ..no I have spoken to some DNA people in NZ regarding kakariki hybrids...no there is not enough DNA history to reliably do so, and Genetic DNA is very different from a simple Sex dna test.
Also the comment wa made that expeianced breeders will pick up hybrids far more reliably than expensive DNA tests.

I would hazzard a gess that that bird has been breed across to introduce or at least short cut those mutation gene into the yellow crown species.????

We have several very reputable kakariki breeders in Aussie as member here...you may like to contact them.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:35 pm    Post subject:

oh great who are they or how do I find them?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:09 pm    Post subject:

hi m8,

I suggest you contact Kevin (cattscapes in the forum)
http://www.kakariki.net/forum-userprofile-60.html
You can send him a pm from his userprofile, clicking on the button.

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I would hazzard a gess that that bird has been breed across to introduce or at least short cut those mutation gene into the yellow crown species.????

I agree with that theory

Cheers / Pablo

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