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kakigirl
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 4:42 am    Post subject: Introducing New Members

HI I am a new memeber to this site, it looks great! My name is Deb my user name is kakigirl I have 3 birds 2 kakariki's one female names "Rikki" and a male named Beeper and a budgie named Mojo and a chihuahua named Pippo

I look forward to meeting and talking to all the members about our pet adventures Applause

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 8:51 am    Post subject:

Welcome..
I think its a good idea to Start out with an introduction. Sort of feel silly not thinking of that signlol
I'm Keith, and my wife is Deb.
We have 2 avairies, each with 3 flights.
1 Breeding pair of yellows, reds.
A pair of kings and another of Crimsons, 2 pair burkes. All pure breed as nature intended, and few quails and finches.
At the moment theres a couple of reds left over from last season, (siblings). 1 males and not 100% sure what the other is, they are big birds, so its either a male with a slightly smaller beak or female with slightly larger beak.

Y kikes? Well in NZ once upon a time they where as common as all the sparrows, thrushes, blackbirds, myna put together...now 99.9% of Kiwis (NZers) have never seen one let alone heard of them. duno

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kakigirl
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 9:03 am    Post subject: forgot

Opps I forgot to mention where I live. I live in Hamilton Ontario Canada and Kakariki's and not well known around here most people have never heard of them. It is VERY seldom that you find kaks in a pet store. I adopted my first one from a family that found her too much work ?? they did not give her what she needed. I got her at about a yr old. She is a bit different because she had an accident and broke her bottom beak, it was attempted to repair it but it did not work so she now lives with just a top beak. She does great , I have to feed her a baby mash its the only way she will survive but shes doing great !!

My second Kak I got from a pet store in my area which is rare to find as far as I know its a male he is less than a year and is very sweet both my kaks are very friendly they love to come out of their cage and get into all sorts of things thru the house Rolling Eyes I really enjoy them.

be back soon
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Mariannenl
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:51 am    Post subject:

Here I am Mariane, new member from holland with 12 kakarikis in my aviary, together with 2 mynahs, 14 cockatiels, 4 bourks and other aviary birds.

I also have 8 parrots ( and 2 more to come, next week) 14 guinea pigs and two dogs, so I am a very big petlover and I hope te meet new friends all over the world on this list.

Since I have many pets, my work and of course my househould I cannot promise to post very often but I will do my best.

Pictures will follow soon

many greetings,
MARIANNE
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:13 am    Post subject:

Im not sure about the pic s just yet....setting up this site has been quite a learning curve, and I still dont know what Im doing signlol.
The pic part Im having alsorts of problems getting that to work.
Also I have a limitted bandwith usage/month and realy have no idea as yet how much a site like this uses....so far it does look like we will have enough to run an album, when I figure out how to code one in and make it work signlol

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Peter
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 9:53 pm    Post subject:

Hi, i am Peter.

I live in Belgium and have 4 red fronted kaks. 2 Males, Tino and Kiwi and 2 females Aurora and Lara.
They lives in an outdoor aviary with nightcage.

I want to let them mate in separate smaller cages but have not yet experience with that.

Concerning the range of colours, i believe there is plenty of room to develop new colours. So, my goal is to develop a new colour by selection. I have already a colour in my mind.

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Katashariki
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 11:19 am    Post subject: Hi

Hi, I am Valerie and I am also in Ontario Deb, I am in Hamilton on the mountain. I have two kakarikis, two cockatiels,two senegals and two budgies.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 8:02 pm    Post subject:

Hey my name is Conor, i live in Wellington New Zealand
Sadly i have yet to see a wild kakariki!
but i will keep searching.
Just love nz birds
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Tanygnathus
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 8:01 am    Post subject:

Hello,
I'm Francesco from Trento, northern Italy, where are Dolomites. Here I breed

Amazona farinosa, Psittacus erithacus, Chalcopsitta atra, Coracopsis vasa, Aratinga acuticaudata, Neopsephotus bourkii, Psephotus haematonotus, Forpus coelestis, Forpus conspicillatus, Nymphicus hollandicus, Myiopsitta monachus, Neophema pulchella, Bolborhynchus lineola, Cyanoramphus novaezelandiae, Agapornis roseicollis, Agapornis fischeri, Agapornis personatus, Melopsittacus undulatus, Pionus senilis.

I teach in Law University, i like to play bassoon and baroque music, geography, museum collections, Lithuania and Lithuanian language, Genus Dendrolagus, and so on.

Here Kakariki is breed, but not so much as in other countries, just the Cyanoramphus novaezelandiae is common, because Italian law about keeping CITES exemplars is pretti bizantine...
Prices of Kakariki are about 30 euro for non domestic, 70-100 for hand reared bird. The yellow mutations is common, but a bit more expensive.


Greetings from Italy!
Francesco.
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Allen
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 4:08 am    Post subject:

Welcome to the site.

I will have to look up most of the species scientific names that you have given, recognised a few though. Melopsittacus undulatus, my first bird as a six year old child, the budgie, Nymphicus hollandicus, Cockatiel I think, the next species I started keeping and breeding.

Neophema I know are grass parakeets, will have to check witch ones you have as I don't know all the individual species scientific names. I am very curious to see which Aratinga (Conure species) you have.

What the hell, decided to look them up on the Lexicon of Parrots site.

I have the following pairs of Aratinga species: Auricapilla (Gold Capped), Janday (Jenday) and Solstitialis (Sun).

Interesting, according to the lexicon your aratinga acuticaudata is a Sharp-tailed conure in English, never heard of that one before, but it is closely related to the Blue Crowned Conure (the one from the movie Paulie).

Maybe you could post us a few pictures of your birds for us.

Nice house Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2005 11:43 am    Post subject:

Hello Friends!
I was a bit in hurry when I wrote the precedent message, about the parrots I breed usually at home, so i simply write the latin binomial names.

Melopsittacus undulatus in English is the Budgerigar, with my friends, although we breed sometime big parrots- we always keep a couple of Budgerigar, because they somehow represent the begin of the Oceanic-Parrots- Aviculture from the previous century.

For example, not far from Turin a friend of mine is breeding pretty all the Amazona species which are in commerce, but is always having a couple of Budgerigars.

When I travelled in Lithuania, there is the most common keeped parrot, and I heard a quite big number of exemplar clearly speaking and repeating a big number of sentences.

Also a very nice species to breed is the Black lory (Chalcopsitta atra: Chalcos means BRONZE in old Greek, psitta si PARROT and ATRA in Latin means dark-black) from Irian Jaya, Papua island. I searched very much for the couple, after i read Wallace book about "Seven years in the Malayan archipelag" where he told that in a trip to Amboina he saw a stuffed exemplar of Chalcopsitta atra, and described it as a very rare animal, in the house of the governor.
My couple is very complicated in feeding, they dont eat anything which is bigger than a "dust", so for example they eat nectar, ground corn, honey. Black lories like to eat itvery much if mixed and melted in tepid water.

The Aratinga acuticauadata (Aratinga is a dimnutive of the indigen word "ara" and acuticaudata means in Latin: with the pointed tail. Also the english word CONURE comes from old Greek and means: with tail as a cone). I have a pair coming from Argentina, they are now in the right age to made a breed, in fact they sleep in the same nest and digged a hollow for the eggs.

Well, I stop now just here, tomorrow I'm leaving to Florence, where I meet with other ornithologist, and we go to visit the storerooms of the Museum "La Specola" one of the most ancient Natural-History-Museums of Italy. i will take several photos and when published in Internet i will post here the link.

I see in Parrot Magazine of New Zealand that the prices for Parrots there are incredibly high, here for example I pay a Psephotus haematonotus (Red-rumped Parrot) no more than 15 Euros, if is a special mutation (now is here somehow expensive the blue mutation) it costs a bit more...
On the other side I saw a couple of Nestor notabilis, here in central Italy, sold for 15.000 Euros.

The most common cyanoramphus kept in captivity is the Cyanoramphus novaezelandiae; for some legal complications the Cyanoramphus auriceps is a bit more complicate to keep, because needs a special permission from the Forest-Police. kakariki isn't very well known as a pet; a lot of breeder hand-feed the own parrots, in order they become absolutely confident, and the market price is much more high. I usually breed just ancestral birds, and I let them to the parents to be feed. In any case many people of my town is having my Kakariki, and they told they are very confident.
Few of them also whistle and tell few words.

I found a file of a Kakariki speaking German language, he tells "Komm mal her" and means "Come here".


http://www.sittich-info.de/sittiche/sounds/ziegensittiche/Alfred.mpg
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2005 12:19 pm    Post subject:

Allen,
I forgot to say that's somehow incredible to wirte and conversate with someone who writes from so far country...I imagine you surrounded by Poicephalus parrots...
Once I saw in an old publication (I guess it was the Levaillant, Hstoire naturelle des Perroquets) an Agapornis taranta, named Psittacus capensis (Parrot of the cape) from an anonimous hand of the XIX century...so i just imagine how much parrots were sold through the Cape...

here in Italy we often speak about the breeding stations of the South Africa. Is often told here that you have incredibly a lot of species, I also read about it in the magazine of the Parrot society. I saw Psittrichas fulgidus, Graydidascalus brachiurus and other very rare kept birds. But some friends tell that now there is very widespread the pbfd in parrots.

Well, also one of the Kakarikis is having a "worng" toponimic name...the Cyanoramphus zealandicus (originally named by Latham in 1790 Psittacus zealandicus) was inadvertently named with such name because Latham though that it comes from NZ...insted of on the versus of the first painting was wirtten Psittacus othaitensis (parrot from Tahiti).

This parrot received then several (invalid) names, such as Psittacus erythronotus Kuhl 1820; Psittacus pacificus Viellot 1823; Platycercus erythronotus Stephens 1826, Conurus phaeton Des Murs 1845, Platycercus phaeton Des Murs 1849, Cyanoramphus fosteri Finsch 1868.


After Bonaparte in 1845 described the Genus Cyanoramphus, it is named

Cyanoramphus zealandicus (Latham) 1790
the first description was published in Index orntihologicus, sive Systema ornithologiae; complectens avium divisionem in classes, ordines, genera, species, ipsarumque varietates: adjectis synonymis, locis, descriptionibus, &c. first volume, p.102.

There is a famous opera air: "Gią il sole del Gange" (The sun of Gange is already shining)...and for you all the new day is beginning, for me is late night and i go to sleep.

Good day to you all!
Ciao
Francesco
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Allen
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 7:27 pm    Post subject:

Hi Francesco

Looked up some more of the species you have, you have a very interesting collection. Some fairly common species and others quite rare.
I don't keep budgies anymore as the breeding stock available here is very poor, lots of in breeding and I am scared of french moult. We don't keep Turquosines anymore (Neophema Pulchella) and Bourkes (Bourkii) anymore. I bought some bad stock from a breeder and lost three birds in the first winter and the Rosa Bourkes picked up some kind of an eye disease and I eventually gave the survivors away and burnt the aviaries and started again with other birds.

Yes it is great to chat to people from around the world that share a common interest and the nice thing about this site is that the membership is growing all the time.

I think it was Conor from NZ bemoaning the fact that he had never seen a wild kakariki in New Zealand but was still hoping to. I am unfortuanately in a similiar position, particularly because I live near Cape Town at the Southern most point in Africa. There is lots of interesting bird species here but no parrots.

Our climate is described as Mediteranean climate in our Geography text books at school. We have a relatively pleasant mild climate with winter rain fall. Our summer temperatures are about 15C at night (hottest night about 20C) and 25-30 daytime (record day is just over 40C) and our winter temp is about 10C at night with very occasional frost and coldest night 2/3 C with daytime of 16 - 20C with 12C being an extremely cold day. We get a couple of days snow on the mountain tops occasionally in winter. Climate is probably similiar to Southern Italy.

My biggest problem with my kakariki is the heat in summer as they prefer / come from a milder climate.

I do have two species of Poicephalus parrots in my aviaries, the Senegal and Meyers species. It is my dream (space, time and finances permitting) to breed all nine species of Poicephalus parrots. Iwould like to get some Jardines or Roupels next year after breeding season. I would eventually like to have the Cape Parrot as they are indigenous originally to my area. They are however highly endangered and very expensive. They are found in the few remaining yellow wood forests situated about 1000kms up the East coast from me. Every year in about April, the Universities organise a mass count of the remaining wild birds. The numbers are below a thousand but are increasing but possibly only because there are more volunteers counting each year. PBVD has been a significant problem for this species as some of the wild birds have been infected by escaped domestic parrots.

One has to be carefull here with PBVD particularly with Cockatoos, African parrots and Indian Ringnecks here.

South Africa exports a huge number of parrots to Europe and Asia. Breeding conditions in most parts of our country are ideal for parrots particularly further up the east coast where the climate is sub-tropical with mild winters - ocean temp is 25C and moderates the climate. I tried to buy a pair of Sun conures from a breeder once but the breeder would not sell even though he had 150 pairs, they were all for export to Europe. There have been no exports for a couple of months now since an outbreak of Avian flu amongst the Ostrich population late last year. It is certainly a buyers market now in South Africa. Senegal prices have halved because of this and have dropped to R550 per pair (about 70 Euros). Ihave been reluctant to buy African Parrots in the past as I believe that a vast number of birds that are for sale here are wild caught and smuggled in from North of our borders. I do not believe that it is right to buy or keep wild caught birds so I only buy young African birds from people that I know.

There is a breeder near to me that has a large parrot collection, probably about 160 species. He has Hyacinth Macaws, Palm Cockatoos in fact all the large macaws available and all the white cockatoos, about 15 species of Lories and Lorikeets, all the African Parrots and lots of conures too. A great place to visit and spend a day at. He is open to the public with a coffee shop and a few other animals (mostly primates and birds) too.

Incidently Conures sleep in their nest boxes all year round at night. Male and Female will stay in the box during the day too if the weather is unpleasant. First time I experienced this, I thought my birds had escaped or been stolen.

For anyone that wants a pet parrot like a conure but can't handle the noise, try a Senegal parrot. They are just as intelligent and playfull but much quieter and they are better mimics of sounds and whistles.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 10:16 am    Post subject:

hi am new here my name is gypsie.i have 2 kikes and 13 budgies,1 cockatiel and 1 african grey parrot.my kikes are called eddie and lulu.eddie we have had for a while since he was 20weeks old and lulu we got today but she was at the same petshop at the same time.is it best to wait and breed from them when they are 1 yr old ? any advice w3c.i will only hobby breed like my budgies ? thanks gypsie
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 3:24 pm    Post subject:

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my kikes are called eddie and lulu.eddie we have had for a while since he was 20weeks old and lulu we got today but she was at the same petshop at the same time.is it best to wait and breed from them when they are 1 yr old ?

Would you be able to put anther post re the above in the Breeding section.
We get many ppl just reading thru forums to get info...If the info, or question is in the right place it makes it easier to refer to later.
Plus my answer I dont think will conform competly with the std practices..hopefully other experienced breeders will also give their thoughts.
Cheers.
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Dont be afraid of trying things, eg uploading a pic, editing posts, finding out what does what, and stuff...the members forums are best for that, out of sight of general veiw signlol....I dont mind cleaning up stuff, the Admin accepts that most 'parrot' ppl are not forum, computer savy. thumb

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