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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:15 pm    Post subject: DoC Pests and 1080

Just been watching TV3 NZ
Interesrting news item.
In the small wild area where the Orange Kakariki are, is Beech trees, these produce a seed, and this yrs there is a bumper crop.
This means there is going to be Another Rat population explose. When rats eat breech seed, it like they are hi energy and as if they are on Viagra.
Stoats eat lots of rats, so that population also explopes....and the both kill birds.
1080 pioson:
DoC are considering a drop of 1080
This is rather a controversial subject in NZ....
Personally, I agree with DoC.
The big arguement is this also kills of birds etc.
DoC have thrown 1080 bait into a kakariki, cage and see if the bird repleant works...and it does.
I dont know what the repant is, but I do know there are chemicals in piosonuos plants like privet...I have introduced several of these invasive pest plants to Kakariki and finches who had never come across them before.
After about a week, I removed them, the birds didnt touch thrm at all.

People have to realise, when things get drasic, PC solulions dont work, the soln also has to be drastic...its part of live.

The other arguement against is polluting water ways etc...
Well there is always a side issue...The polution level would be far lower level than DDT was in its hey day. This being the case...I dsont have a problem with that. I grew up when DDT was used as a fly spray, in a brass pump sprayer....

These pests dont just kill off birds.
They take the tips out of young trees. This causes then to split as the grow, and the same for the branchs...This ineffect makes what where huge staight trees, into bloody big bushes.
So all the new bush, althu great, will not be like it was 200yrs ago. And that took a few thousand yrs to get tall and big .
The other more imediate effect is stripping trees, and they die or partly die....So for yrs we got used to a medium foliage with all these dead and part dead, stripped branches.
Those areas that DoC have hit with 1080, The bush looks amazing...
And when u enter them, plants that one has seen all ones life...for the 1st time actually see the flowers....then there is the viberant bird life also

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 12:31 am    Post subject:

When I was a child I remember all the talk about 1080, but to be honest I dont know that much about except that its a poison.Was it what they used in the south island on infested carrots to help rid the over population of rabbits?
DoC have a hard job on their hands by the sounds of it, i just hope it doesnt kill the other wild life that they want to protect.
I'm heading off to NZ on friday for a big family reunion/birthday, its going to be good to see everyone again, by the looks of the weather I'll need to get some thermals before I go.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:50 pm    Post subject:

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Doc has been forced to reassess 1080...because of bloody ill informed do gooders......
This from the lastest NZ Forest and Bird Protection Society (who do support DoC, like myself on this issue.


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One of the most important decisions in a generation will soon be made which will affect native forests and birds for decades to come. The Department of Conservation (DOC) and the Animal Health Board have applied for 1080 to be reassessed so that it can continue to be used in New Zealand.

DOC and regional councils use 1080 to protect native forests from browsing by possums and to protect native birds and other native species from predation by introduced pest species. This use of 1080 has been critical in saving threatened native species from being driven to extinction by introduced predators. Species such as kiwi, kaka, kokako and kakariki have all benefited from its use. Without 1080 these species would face local population declines and increased risk of extinction.

Forest & Bird supports the application because 1080 is the best solution currently available to protect large areas of forests and their native species from the ravages of introduced pests. In the last couple of decades 1080 has been the key factor that has allowed our forests to come alive.

You can help by sending a brief email submission in support of DOCís application for reassessment of 1080. The deadline for submissions is Wednesday 31 January 2007. Send your email submission here: 1080@ermanz.govt.nz


Note this is published without permission....email contacts to do so dont exist, and waiting on a reply from F&B in the mean time.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:40 pm    Post subject:

Steptoe, 1080 is still commonly used in australia to control rabbits and foxes. i dont see what the problem would be in your situation. Do you know what the 1080 is mixed with to form the bait ie we use grain or carrots for rabbit control and a meat mix to bait foxes. the fox baits have to be buried by law. for rats and stoats i guess a pellet would work best? are the baits dropped by air?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:41 pm    Post subject:

NZ consumes 75% of the 1080 in the world...
And we are only scratching the surface....
Do u understand the enormity of the problem?
We have no preditors at all for these pest...
I do know the 1080 has been tested on karariki and many other birds species..it has a repleant of some kind...
Pastes, air drops carrot...all done...NZ Doc would be the tops experts in the world....
Just cause a couple pellets dropped on a bit of dry ground in the middle of a huge forest, and 5 months after it was meant to beak down, someone lets their pet dog go for a run..All crap breaks loose...
Damn if the 1080 didnt get the dog there was a good chance the dog would d have returned with a Kiwi or weka in its mouth....
Bloody short sighted polictically correct idiots...
If it wasnt for these self centered idiots and DoC was allowed to get on with the bloody job, we would be decades ahead of where we are at now...
But we have to play silly games, and spend millions more over decades, and less chance of what could be a far better result if Doc was allowed to hit things with a sledge hammer NOW then maintain a maintance program.
At the moment what they can do is not much better than a maintance program...
DoC isnt perfect, sure I knock them in forums here, but vermin extermination, they are the best in the world...If they could get on with the job without crap
For My Grand childrens sake...

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:24 pm    Post subject:

Yes, 1080 is the best solution though it can kill off birds that are trying to be protected. Though it has benefited areas that aren't easily reinfected, such as islands and mainland islands. Examples of mainland islands are Maungatautari and Karori. As far as I know they are quite effective in boosting bird numbers for the surrounding areas. Early last year I went to Kapiti Island and got to here what NZ bush would have once been like. The bush was alive, so any effort to kill off the pests will be beneficial for the future. The main pests include mustelids, rats, cats, possums and to some extent dogs as well as hedgehogs.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:06 pm    Post subject:

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Yes, 1080 is the best solution though it can kill off birds that are trying to be protected.


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I do know the 1080 has been tested on karariki and many other birds species..it has a repleant of some kind...

Somewhere in the old DoCweb site there was a document tucked away refering to testing of 1080 on orange kakariki....

These bloody do gooders, start up rumours....
Even I , a news item on the front page, have tested so called mouse/ Rat pioson suposidly safe for kakariki before using...and it is.
I have checked out piosons plants they would come across if capitive and where released...and for some reason they dont touch them..
DoC is not Thick enough to drop 1080 on a population of one of the rarest birds in the world, who is already under serious pressure from vermin...Without Testing 1st
They do have some dumb policies and often do things the hard way...
1080 is not one of these.

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