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Cattscapes
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:25 pm    Post subject: Mutations in the USA

Hi guys i dont know how many of the members are members of the yahoo kakariki group but i got this email today and i was wondering if anyone can produce any photos of the rarer mutations listed below. I am hoping these birds exist. Cheers Kev

Theres
Cinnamons, Cinnamon pieds, Green pieds, Fallow, Fallow pieds somewhat
rare, Lutinos, Dark eyed yellows theres two different types ones a
yellow a with dark eyes only produces dark eyed yellows. The other is a
clear pied this mutation produces some outstanding pieds 90 % pieds.
Theres 2 other type of pieds one I call a set pattern pied has yellow
flights and tail with a yellow on crop area with some. The other has no
set pattern can be light to heavy pied. I believe the clear pied was
developed from this pied mutation and lutino mutation. In the fallow
mutation theres some fallows popping up with a green patch on the
shoulder or back of the neck this is a characteristic of the fallow
mutation mostly hens.I've developed like 1 in 5 with this color pattern
with fallow male in a green hen or vice versa.These are U.S mutations
other mutations not in the U.S are as follows blue very rare,Par blue or
turquoise,Olives,Opaline yellow with orange blotches all over it.Very
striking bird.I also heard of a white kakariki and a violet and also a
dark green.I have yet to see these?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:52 pm    Post subject:

I have answered this e-mail but since my replies never reaches the group I paste my reply here.

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In the fallow
mutation theres some fallows popping up with a green patch on the
shoulder or back of the neck this is a characteristic of the fallow
mutation mostly hens.I've developed like 1 in 5 with this color pattern
with fallow male in a green hen or vice versa.


Interesting subject. I have discussed this with a genetics expert. He supposes that this green spot might be somekind of expression of a pied gene. Pieds are verry complexe and we have still much to learn about them. But why does it affect only Fallows. I have two of these. Both are hens. One I have bred myself. Interesting is that the male parrent is a 80-90% pied with a green patch on the same place as the Fallow daughter. This can explain why it goes unnoticed in pieds. I have the tendency to believe that this might be a sex linked mutation. I have tried to pair the male with another similar Fallow but the first clutch is not hatched due to the inexperience of the hen.

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other mutations not in the U.S are as follows blue very rare,Par blue or
turquoise,Olives,Opaline yellow with orange blotches all over it.Very
striking bird.I also heard of a white kakariki and a violet and also a
dark green.


I would classify these as unofficial namings and legends. Split pieds can dilute the green colouring and enhance the yellow. I have 3 different types of Cinnamon. 2 Of them are split to pied.
In some regions people prefer to use the name Olive referring to the Cinnamon. Opaline causes a relocation of both psittacine(yellow-red) and Melanine (black pigment). It is of a sexlinked inheritance. The red blotches we see in Kakariki are probably caused by a dominant gene but this is uncertain yet. To produce a white Kakariki we need a TRUE blue mutation and so far there is non.

Peter
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:43 am    Post subject:

Kevin and Peter,

I have been corresponding with Stan for a few years now. His reference to the blue and opaline are as a result of seeing pictures of the birds we have in our aviaries. The red is not an Opaline but it certainly does have a lot of red through the body. As Peter has said the blue is also not a true mutation but without getting too far ahead of things it may lead to a true blue mutation further down the track.

We had a visit today from Wyndara and have both studied a young hen we bred recently that is a few shades darker than the normal wild colour. For the time being we will loosely call it a "Kahki" mutation. The feathering on this bird also appears scalloped on the feather edges. The blue in the wings has been greatly reduced, whilst the red frontal band and cheek patches are normal in colouring. I will post some pics in the next few days.
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