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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:56 pm    Post subject:

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Steps is there any research been done on what age kakariki start breeding in the wild ?

I have not seen anything in Luis Ortiz-Catedrals research.
I believe his is the most reliable we have had.
It would be difficult to established thr age of parents...althu the orange kakariki program involved captive breeding and establishing new flock on remote islands....which bred very quickly.
Luis did a few in depth papers on those populations..I do not rem any reference to age.

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All my pairs are allowed to breed when they are ready not when i think they are ready. usually around 3 to 6 months they all vary


I may have confused things a little in my post above re creating a flock of young weaned birds in late summer early autumn, add nesting boxes.
These are for pairing off for the following season.
By the time they pair off, go to nest lay eggs it is mid to late winter ..this then makes the between 12 and 9 months old.

I have found when pairing off in winter or spring, in they usualy just dont want to know...


PS wyndara is a very well respected, esperianced and knowledgable breeder from Aussie.

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I have no problems as long as diet is good and totally consistent.

Yep , just cant emphase that enough...and "Consistant" doesnt mean the same food it means everyday.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:10 pm    Post subject:

Both Ziggy and Vegas have a good diet, lots of veg, fruit, left over chicken bones, other meats and egg every other day. Seeds are also included but they tend to ignore the seeds in favour of everything else.

I have read lots of stuff saying that they shouldn't breed before 12 months but surely in the wild this isn't the case?

I would happily allow them to breed but worried about Vegas becoming egg bound and losing her. We would all be devastated and Kakarikis are hard to come by here we drove an 800 mile round trip to get Vegas.

Is there anything else i can add to make sure they are getting everything they need?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:32 pm    Post subject:

Just to add a little bit more to the consistant part , birds seem to respond well to a routine as steps says everyday and i believe feed at the same time everyday. by doing this the parents know when they will have fresh food avaliable to feed their young. I feed twice a day early morning just before sun rise then 4.30 in afternoon. These times also fit with my work and seems to suit the birds.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:43 pm    Post subject:

Yeah both mine know when the cover comes off the cage in the morning it's breakfast time once they have had breakfast they get out for the day then again about 5pm it's dinner time, Ziggy has had this routine for a year and gets very noisy if you are late in providing breakfast in the morning or in opening the cage to let them out.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:35 am    Post subject:

800 mile round trip?
don't you guys have any company that makes pet shipping across UK?

About becoming egg-bound, I think as far as you give the birds a good consistent diet you should be ok.
Then if the bird becomes eggbound it could be genetic predisposition or some other reason.

For instance a French breeder, that keeps in excess of 100 pairs of cockatiels, eastern rosella and red rumps, every season has the odd hen that is lost due to egg binding. And all his birds get a very nutritious and complete diet.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:35 am    Post subject:

Haha I do apologise, it was a typing error, 500 mile trip, which is still alot.

I'm sure we do have people in uk to ship them around but i wasn't to sure how to go about it and have found kakarikis hard to come by in Scotland.

Thanks for the advice on becoming egg-bound, at the moment both birds get fruit, veg, chicken bones (anything that is left over actually), a boiled egg every 3-4 day.

Is there anything else you could suggest?

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:19 pm    Post subject:

hi

kakariki are very hardy and barely get affected by shipping, they can spend 24hr+ in a dark wooden container without any problems (Steps also has experience in this).
You just need to put handful of seed and a few lettuce leaves or a few pieces of apple.
I have several people that got surprised after receiving the birds and placing them in the cage, they looked like it was their place for a long time, quickly checking out the water bowl for a bath and eating food.
And they do get adapted quite quickly. They will even breed within 2 weeks, at least it was my experience with the last 2 people that bought kakariki from me.

It's exactly the same as driving them around in your own car, but maybe cheaper (unless you have a good reason - i.e. meeting a breeder or visiting a birdmarket).
But although I hate driving around, I do prefer to buy in person so I can see the birds, unless it's someone with a good reputation.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 8:08 am    Post subject:

Hi
yeah i have to agree, i do prefer seeing the breeder and the other birds before buying, it just gives me an idea of the environment they have come from.

Ziggy and Vegas have bonded really well, and there have been a few attempts at mating so fingers crossed.

Thanks to everyone for the comments and advice.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 9:05 am    Post subject:

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kakariki are very hardy and barely get affected by shipping, they can spend 24hr+ in a dark wooden container without any problems (Steps also has experience in this).
You just need to put handful of seed and a few lettuce leaves or a few pieces of apple.


A small box , about 10"x 8 " x8", lid scewed down a few 1/2" air holes each end...5 or 6 kakariki
Shocked
Think about it that is a little smaller than a nesting box, that for a week can have 2 adults periodically and 6 to 8 chicks in.

A Y branch screwed to the bottom for perching, about 1" in diameter.
And correction of food....but of seed, apple, and a few large chopped fleah of capsiucum...no seeds....this is a water supply

This will keep them quite happy for 1000s of miles over aropund 36 hrs quite happy, and in excellent condition.

This is a combination of advice and methods used by members in Europe, And Aussie, trialed and modified slightly.

As any normal bird breeder or PC dept of Conservation expert and they will have a hemorage, and shake their head with a big no...
Stupid people.........they use large PC cages where birds can jump around, room to fight, light to see who and how to fight and jump around....and are quite happy to blame the dead birds on "travel Stress" BS

OH also important...big "This way up only " on all sides.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:55 am    Post subject:

Thanks for the above.
Hopefully i won't need to transport or have my husband driving hundreds of miles.

Kakarikis are usually hard to come by where i live but as luck would have it, last night i bought a cage from a woman about 15 miles from here, she has been breeding birds for 50 years Applause and this also includes kakarikis, she knows alot of other breeders too. I've kept her number as i'm sure she has a wealth of knowledge, if i ever have any problems.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 2:51 pm    Post subject:

So I supose you have a modern car, lounge on wheels and a road trip is boring.... Laughing
Thats where one has car 40 or 60yrs old...Then road trips are fun....
A bradford, top speed 50 mph with a tail wind...or
American muscle car....
Only way to travel...at the slightest excuse.
Strange how modern cars have got so 'user friendly' radios heaters, tom tom, electric windows seats , air con etc etc...people enjoy a trip less. Shocked
Its as if the trip...road time ....is now a chore rather than an important part.
People no longer enjoy driving, lot of people dont even know what driving used to be like...
OH yeah petrol costs....these old cars are inefficent polluters right?
BS The camaro 40 yr old technology has less pollutant than a modern turboed car and an economy just behind a toyota collora ...and still runs a 13 sec 1/4 miles ...in drive.
Ands the old Bradford...that does about the same as a Corolla.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 11:09 pm    Post subject:

If I don't hate driving it's because it's convenient, but the action of driving has become less and less enjoyable for me over time.

The large transport cages are a big mistake in my opinion also, for all the reasons Steps mentions (mostly when they get scared they have too much room to get hurt, and fighting also)

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