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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:17 pm    Post subject: Pictures and videos of NZ-bred birds, mutation-free

Hi!

in a recent forum discussion with a French colleague, we realized here in Europe we still lack some sort of standard or official guidelines to breed our kakariki.

If some of the guys like Steps, Stumbler (Jim) etc... could share some good quality pictures of their birds, with natural light (no flash), or maybe some videos, it would be very interesting.

I know there is already a number of pictures in the forum's gallery, but nevertheless it would be nice to have some extra material. I'd be really grateful if you could find the time.

Cheers / Pablo

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:25 pm    Post subject:

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Europe we still lack some sort of standard or official guidelines to breed our kakariki

A while back I asked members what made a kakariki a good show bird...is that what u mean? Show stands?

A few weeks back (notice on the front page) I had a display of red and yellow crown kakariki at the NZ Federation of Bird Clubs National show.

I have never benched birds, but was curious, so chatted to a couple of the top judges..what they look for.
Stand high, full body..I think those are std for most parrots, finches what ever...so asked him his critical opinion of the 4 random kakariki I took out of the avairies (be honest here not totally random...some og the bird slide on the mesh and mess up destory their tails, so didnt get them)
He thought my birds would not win top prizes in open species, but they would be up near there.
As to the species, well we cant show them in NZ because there are not enough and the Dept of Conservation would take a deep breath, go red in the face, have a hyniea, and go balistic, most proberly prosicute.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:19 pm    Post subject:

http://www.kakariki.net/ftopict-1897-standard.html

you mean that thread, right?

the problem is, we still lack "audiovisual" material to learn even a bit more about the species.
For instance I have noticed some of my green birds have a yellow tinge on the belly and it was hard for me to find pictures where I could compare them.

About shows, I think judges could be experts in a couple of species, but other less common species, they just look for general characteristics. And there is also a number of reasons why a bird wouldn't get the top score. In your particular case you don't have your birds a couple of weeks in a show cage, so it was quite possible they didn't sit properly on the perches and remain calm. And also your birds are probably "streamlined", not "buff", if you know what I mean, they look larger, stronger, at least in Europe the show standard usually leans toward "strong" birds.

If you prefer we can continue the conversation in the old thread (do you know how to cut/merge the threads? I can't do it). I opened a new one because I thought of this one more as a request for pictures.

Cheers /Pablo

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:00 am    Post subject:

I see what u mean ..not show but to establish the wild colours...?

Even that is difficult....we notice slight variation between different stock, flecks on the cheeks, yes the amount of faint yellow fleck...maybe more accurate reflection on the breast, slightly lighter /deeper shades of green and different shades of red on the crown...from a deep red to deep crimson.
But are these realy variations or something like diet...for instance we have a pair of reds that do not eat any sunflower or saflower, yet the pair in the flight next to it will peg out on it...
And sunlight..lighting...how does that effect?
And those who use pellets, not just the diet but the food colouring in the pellets to make it attactive to the owner to buy?
We feed the same to all our parrots..and since it is a consistant wide varity 2x a day, it is supprising the difference between birds the same age and species.

The shape of the crown and patch behind the eye...again this varies greatly, but seems to be inherted to some degree...and this is one of my theries...the shape, colour etc of the crown determines how birds pair off in a flock....they choose unrelated and distant related.
Which leads to some people having great difficulty in putting pairs together...something I used to have issues with....and maybe so called infertity of inbreeding....are there birds actually mating or mating correctlty, before the hen lays???
9 times out of 10 more even, pair these birds up or better still let them choose a mate, and they become prolific breeders....assumption they have good diet.

Then we throw in mutations.....kakariki orginally in the wild where know to have large proprtions of their flocks with mutations in them....how much influnence does this have on wild colours?
Is this an influnce on the yellow tinge on the breast u mention?...yet we dont have mutations here in NZ anymore, and have that tinge occassionally.????

I can see there is any real standard for wild colour...the variations are very minor, only noticable close up, if there at all.
And picking up with a camera ..Im not so sure it is always possible...for instance cameras dont pick up floroesnce...in birds or Hot Rod vechile custom paints

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