I'm in frozen Canada, and all the outdoor bugs are dead or hibernating. So dragging worms in on the bottom of the shoes is a little far fetched, and I never wear outdoor shoes with the birds
They could have had worms for a very long time before any symtoms become apparant....most birds do have worms, and with many types they are maintained by good health diet conditions...but something , even small changes and things get out of control....
Have you done the vinegar/ apple cider vinigar thing yet? _________________ My Spelling is Not Incorrect...It's 'Creative'
Well, today he was looking better, but not problem free.
I need to finsh the top to bottom cleaning on all the cages and area,JIK there's something there and to make sure the other one doesn't get the same thing.
I still dunno if it's worms or consipation.
Been thinking of tossing a couple drops of mineral oil his way.
I"m also still short a miroscope and supplies. Might just pony the $ to a vet to check a sample....but I only paid $37.50 for the bird.
But then again I won a 14 inch TV at the pet store 11yrs buying some supplies.
$129-$149 value.
So my kaks showed profit when they were young.
I occassionaly get a bird that looks a bit off colour....normally a new bird.
It is isolated for a few weeks , but routine is invermectin, with a follow up dose.....a hit of good vitmins and minerals, and a mist spray of 50/50 vinegar, and apple cider vinegar in the veggies every few days....
My veggie mix often has a bit of olive oil thrown in.
And a good feed of protiens, chopped up chicken carcass, bones chopped fine with a clever.
They pic up in a day or so and the change in colour of the feathers, brigh eyes is quite amazing... _________________ My Spelling is Not Incorrect...It's 'Creative'
Well he seems better than last week. He looks almost back to normal.
He's the eating machine again. Didn't like it last week when he was just looking at it.
He seems to be moving almost normal, but has been taking more rides with me than normal.
Could be just more of a suck up or still a little off.
Or just playing bird games with his brother.
He always gets jelious if I have his brother on my arm/hand without him. He''ll just fly over and knock this brother off .
He's even has enough energy to bug his brother again.
Except, his brother left him alone when he was under the weather and is not putting up his his brother's games.
Dallas was fine, eating and drinking but when I returned home today, I found him dead.
He was keeled over to one side, eyes open.
So I would take it was something quick for the eyes to stay open, or does that happen a lot when they die?
Last I saw he gave me a foot shake before I left the house.
Told them to be good birds.
Now his brother was just a spaz. All he wanted to do is run away and hide in any cage. Couldn't even get a simple foot shake out of him.
He's asleep now. We'll see tommorrow.
He had been a real wanker to his brother for a couple weeks just bugging him for some reason.
Sry to hear this....hard to put it down to anything for sure...
Could be the previous upset has weakened him in the heart or something
It is stranghe that we dont have any issues of this nature in our birds....At anyone time we have between 40 and 80 parrots, most kakariki...many pairs many years old. _________________ My Spelling is Not Incorrect...It's 'Creative'
I have had a few kakariki die suddenly, one I found still warm, and the day before was a happy camper.
I have also had 3 kakariki die of some sort of stroke, they show up one day weakened and with a faded iris (almost white), took 1-3 days to die (they were from the same breeding line, possibly brothers/sisters)
Steps, you have probably developed a very strong breeding line, while here in Europe probably the priority was to develop mutations, and there are still weak birds that we must weed out.
And if I'm not mistaken most kakariki present in US/Canada were originally imported from Europe. _________________ AD ASTRA PER ASPERA
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Steps, you have probably developed a very strong breeding line, while here in Europe probably the priority was to develop mutations, and there are still weak birds that we must weed out.
And if I'm not mistaken most kakariki present in US/Canada were originally imported from Europe.
An international bird judge on retirement told me he never saw a redfronted Kakariki in Europe until the early 70's. Where they came from I don't know but definitely not from NZ. I believe they were descendants from the few that arrived in Europe in the late 1800's. I say few because most of them were dead birds. See http://www.ag-wildformen.de/projekte/vf010.php?datei=20110407213624&kont=7
In my opinion the Kakariki in Europe are very close related which may explain the weakness in some birds.
I do wonder about if birds are kept inside rather than avairies.
Seems most insideces like this posted has to do with cage/inside kept birds.
Maybe restricted diet....the good stuff treated as "treats" rather than daliy normal diet...and those treats are limited....????
Maybe has something to do with prepacked foods most ppl use, rather than fresh, peel , prepare and cook....there are no longer the fresh peelings each day????
Long term unbalanced diet for any species is the root of most issues, be parasites, or deficiencies.
Where as those with avairies/ flights/ breeding/ 30 or 100 birds.. its worthwhile making up veggies every couple days, so can have full balanced and consistant diet 365 days a year.....growing or buying is more a routine.
I dont think it has anything to do with strong lines here.....yes i have sent birds off to others, and they die....talk to other breeders and find birds die with those ppl from their stock to.....and the breeders who have issues, visit their avaries and it soon becomes apparaent, even thu they say they feed consistant....the evidence of consistant diet...scraps, unused dishes, access to do so everyday, just are not there.
Same thing goes with breeding....the number of invertile birds, or birds that dont breed, or 'past it' put them on a good consistant diet for a few months and suddenly very fertile.
I had a proment high profile parrot person in NZ come back to me about a couple young pairs I supplied..top stock, dieing. Did not take long to establish they had been put into a flight that a couple greys had just died in, AND there flight even nesting boxes had never been cleaned out!!!
And they had the audacity to TRY and blame my bad stock...Also turned out with a bit of digging behind the scienes this person had a rep of doing so. _________________ My Spelling is Not Incorrect...It's 'Creative'
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