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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:11 am    Post subject: feather loss/Mite Treatment

Can anyone offer any advice as to why one of my Kakarikis has suddenly gone almost bald, this has happened within the space of two weeks, he is in an aviary with others but it has not happened to any of them.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:52 am    Post subject:

Mites
Something that we had never had..upto a month ago...
It was strange....This aviary is completely covered and enclosed, The flights effected where alternate, not side by side, and there was no moving or introduction of new birds for around 9 months.
A female was seriously effected, she was sitting, and when finally came out of the nest, only still had enough feathers to fly.

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Feather mites are invisible but they leave traces like moth-eaten feathers, black lines in the tail feathers.
In that case you better use a more powerful product such as Ivermectin pour-on. It reaches these mites via the blood. This is a better approach cause feather mites hide themself in feather follicles. Besides, the product also treats other parasites such as worms. When you treat against feather mites it is better to continue the treatment during several months cause the mites leave eggs behind
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Peter's advice is this...
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I apply 2 or 3 droplets on the back of the neck. This is an area where they can't reach it with their beaks. I use a solution of 0,01% Ivermectin in propoleneglycol. There is no need to be afraid of an overdose. I know a breeder who applied an overdose of 50 times more by accident to his canaries without consequences. .......In case of feather mites the best way is to treat every bird who lives in the same area or aviary every 2 or 3 weeks during a couple of months.


Althu our local vet, (not an avaiatian vet)had never heard of systematic dosing of birds...only oral...On discussing Peters advice with him he made up a small sol'n of 0.08%, and asked us to report back the results.

We applied 2 drops to the skin on the back of the neck to all birds in the aviary, repeated 10 to 12 days later with 1 drop.(vets advice)
The Vet also advised they could show signs of being a little lethargic, this was not the case.
We also mist spray the birds and flights once every 2 to 3 weeks with a 50/50 soln of vinegar and water...there is no evidence that this prevents mites and worms, other than after many yrs this is the only instance of a problem.
The difference in 4 to 5 days with new pin feathers appearing was quite dramatic, 3 weeks later she just looks as if she has had a very heavy moult.
Has not effected feeding chicks or the chicks....
Under normal circumstances, we would have expected her to lay again, she hasnt....there is still time, the chicks are still a week or so from leaving the nest for the 1st time.

Ivermectin is also used for several types of worms, worming can cause the hen to go off they lay, we think this maybe the case.

A microscopic check of droppings for worms showed -ve.
http://www.kakariki.net/ftopict-59-.html
I have been told by some local breeders, some worms can cause feather lose due to lack of condition.

Mites (and worms can cause devastation in aviaries if left untreated for a while...we have seen a local hobbist budgie breeder, on vets advice use sprays and water solns etc...the situation only got worst, resulting in complete removal and isolation of birds, dismantling of the flights, total clean , water blast, disinfection and treatment of birds....
This was rather a huge and daunting exercise, eventually putting them off having birds altogether

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:37 am    Post subject: mites

Thanks for info on this subject, having sprayed birds and aviary with a mite treatment all seems well, our little Kakariki is gaining her feathers daily and now no longer looks like a left over from Christmas
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 10:35 am    Post subject: molting or mites ?

is this ( picture below ) perhaps what you mean, this is one of my males,
picture taken 1 week ago, the weather has been fine here, and since a few days it s a little bit freezing, so the birds might be upset ????

last year there were a few kaka s more having this , but now he s the only one...
He eats and drinks good, and as far as I know they are not fighting.....

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 11:18 am    Post subject:

Having seen the picture of the Kakiriki posted, I can honestly say ours was a lot worse than this. She had no feathers left on her body or head, but now is regaining them really fast. As the weather is now going down below freezing at night I glad she now has a bit more protection. Thank you all for your replies and hope our problem is going away, we will continue to spray the aviaries for a while yet just to be sure.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:38 am    Post subject:

Hi, I'm currently having a similiar looking problem on my birdie, the little guy got Ivervectum placed on his neck last Friday, after having an inital application the Friday before. However things dont seem to be improving a great deal, he is still scratchign with his claws behind his ears like a dog and pecking at his feathers beneath his wings aswell.

Any ideas what to do? Am i just being impatient with the Ivervectum? Should I see a bird specialist?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:32 am    Post subject:

Ivervectum comes in 2 forms, one for cattle another for sheep...
use the one for sheep in propolene glycol sol'n
Is the dilution correct? we use a 0.08% soln
Was it applied correctly, not to the feathers but directly on the skin, behind the head, 1 or 2 drops.
Has it been stored correctly?
It is light sensitive and should be kept in the fridge.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:23 am    Post subject:

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Does he have bald spots?

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:57 am    Post subject:

Yes he does, they are sort of patches between patches of good feathers and only one is visible normally, a large one just behind his head, but when he has had a bath and his feathers are all wet and stuck down, there are patches just beneath his wings, under his beak and around his eyes which appear to be balding.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:30 am    Post subject:

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In case of feathermites there has to be an improvement after a week with Ivermectin (new pinfeathers). If this is not the case then there are probably other causes. Several disseases can cause heavy moult. For example Parrot dissease, Polyoma.
Recently I heard of a bald Kakariki on a German forum. After a examination of a bloodsample, the birdvet discovered a Liver and Kidney failure.
On advise of the vet, the owner replaced the Zinc meshwork of the aviary into one of Steel. Furthermore the bird got some medicines with a detoxicating action. After a few months the bird was completely recovered.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:19 pm    Post subject: Bird losing health fast

My bird after coming of nest was losing feathers Only 1 bird affected. The bird shop suggested we treat for scaly face (with scaly face & leg treatment for caged birds) we have been reapplying this and the bird is now looking like this can you help we have been doing this for a month now. Also read lots about this ivermectin where do you buy this from as our local bird shop doesn't supply (know of this).


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:58 pm    Post subject:

ivermectin in many countires is a restricted drug..
So it may have to be prescribed by a Vet.
There are 2 forms...that used for cattle and the other for sheep...
u need the sheep one that is in proplene glycol sol'n

Most vets may never heard of using this on birds...our local vet didnt, so was very intersested in supling a few mls and our reporting back.

Talk to your vet, and piont him/her to this post
http://www.kakariki.net/ftopicp-1089.html#1089
Brett is not your run of the mill Vet...he has an international reputation...and is an important consultant for endangered bird life to the NZ Dept of Conservation.
Try a google search.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:15 pm    Post subject:

Well, the good news is Faust never got quite as bad as the bird in the picture above, after two trips to the vet and two applications of Iver...Iver...Iverthingy hehehe, he is looking a lot better, feathers are being replaced with pin feathers and coat looks generally shinier and more colourful.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:32 am    Post subject:

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Iver...Iver...Iverthingy hehehe, he is looking a lot better, feathers are being replaced

Yes we where also very suprised how fast recovery was when following Peters advice...
And 2nd..."Iver...Iver...Iverthingy hehehe" Im glad someone else has this problem to lmao

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:12 am    Post subject:

Hi!

re-opening the subject just in case...

Today I was feeding the birds as usually and all of a sudden I notice one of the cocks closing one of the eyes and his eyelid looked a bit swollen and red to me. He was rubbing his eye against perches and wire.

I'm not sure if this is a worm infection or may be another thing. What's your opinion?

Just in case, I sprayed him with a special product and prepared some water with the de-worming powder.

By the way... anyone knows if de-worming powder can be mixed with the eggfood?

Help is appreciated.

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