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armyken
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:15 pm    Post subject: Keeps yelling and won't shut up

Hi
I live in an appartement together with a couple of kakarikis. Last week, the male died and I replaced him with a new one (so the female wouldn't be lonely).
But the new guy is driving me crazy. He keeps yelling constantly and won't shut up. He gets on for hours. Sometimes even the female (Fientje) gets annoyed with him and attacks him (which is great, cause he'll shut up for like 5 minutes).
Anyway, since my neighbours were wondering if I couldn't replace him with a more silent type of bird and I don't want to bring him back, I'd like to know if anyone of you had experience with something alike.

Some info: Both birds are yellow and redheaded.
The male one is in the cage with the female for 3 days (and yelling for 3 days). He goes at it from around 7am (no need for an alarm anymore) and the sound he produces tends to get louder and louder every d*mn hour. And I'm slowly going deaf and mad.

Thanks in advance!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:26 am    Post subject:

Something is upsetting him...
May have had a mate and he is trying to call her?
Maybe being resticted in the cage, a cat or dog, or picture of one.
Or bored.
Tried letting him out for excercise?
Nwe toys to play with...even a screwed up ball of news paper, or a shoe box with a door.
A big leafy branch to chew on

Behavour like this is rare for Kakariki.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:24 am    Post subject:

The cage he was in before I bought him, had only males in it (he might be gay?).
There's a lot of toys inside the cage.
He gets to fly through my appartement.
There's no pictures of 'evil' animals in my appartement and I'm only allowed to keep birds or a fish.

Still he insists on driving me nuts.
He tends to grow more silent near the evening and when the evening has fallen and he has to go back to his cage, he's mostly completely quiet. Not even interacting with the television. If you speak to him, he does reply though.

I'll try getting a branch of a tree from somewhere, but in the middle of a city, it's pretty hard to find something like that without getting arrested for destroying property of the city :p

BTW, are there any trees that make them 'relax'?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:01 pm    Post subject:

Ok, I tried a branch, a big one even. But he still insists on driving me nuts with his yelling.
Now this song keeps popping up in my head :p

"I feel, I feel like taking a life.
Please, I wanna seal the kitchen knife
and feel, feel like taking a life." (Quoted miss kittin)
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:28 pm    Post subject: yelling

I think you might have to give him some Bach's Flowers or something from the vet to calm him down. Yelling like you describe is calling for his mate or his flock IMO. His flock can be his old human family. You might just ring the previous owners to get their opinion.
Have you tried to cover his cage? My kakariki is abosolutely quiet compared to my cockatiels, he talks a lot but he does not call at all. Give the Bach's flowers a try- a few drops will help calm him.- Kathy
p.s. Don't yell at im to shut him up, this will usually make it worse- whisper to him
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:56 pm    Post subject:

I'll try the flowers.
Covering him up does help a bit, but then the female bird, who's always quiet and really one of the nicest birds I've ever seen, is getting a punishment as well. I don't like to punish her for things she didn't do. She just lost her companion and now has to live with this I-'ll-never-quit-yelling-pain in the same cage, to punish her a whole day, no, I can't do that.
Thing is, once I put a blanket on the cage, he still goes at it for 5 minutes. But once you lift up the blanket, he goes at it again with full force. I don't want to put them under a blanket for 20 hours a day.

The vet told me it would pass by. He said that my male bird is like this little wimpy crybaby and that I should have gotten me a tougher bird Wink

Anyway, I'll try some Bach and see if it helps out.

Thanks for all the advice uptill now.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:27 am    Post subject:

I'm going to try to have the cage as punishment, don't know if it'll do any good, or make it worse, but I'll try anything now.

So, whenever he's silent for a while, I let him out of the cage. The second he starts yelling again, he has to go back in his cage untill he stops yelling.
And so on.
In the meanwhile, the female can go out as much as she wants (unless she starts yelling as well).

The first time it worked well, but then again, it might have been because he was panting too much from trying to escape from having to go back in the cage :p. I even felt sorry a bit for him, because he's so nice and friendly when he's not yelling.

Anyway, it's been quiet for an hour now! (only some chatting from both of them)
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:01 am    Post subject:

The cage didn't help at all. He just keeps quiet with the blanket on the cage and once it's off again, he's going at full force again. Using it as a reward is a big joke as well, because, the first thing he does when he's out of his cage, is start yelling till my neighbour lets me know he's getting a headache by banging on the wall.

Bach didn't help out much either.

The vet telling me it would pass after a while, was a big joke as well, seeing he's going at it while I'm typing this.

In the long end I can only come to one solution, getting rid of him.

He's very nice, comes sit on your shoulder for a quick break while crossing the livingroom, lets you pet his head and stuff, gives kisses, ... , but he drives me insane with his constant yelling.

My box is empty and if noone else has an idea to make him stop yelling, by the end of this week, I'll have to return him and admit I failed.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 7:56 am    Post subject:

Have you tried a spray bottle with water in it, whenever he starts yelling, spray him a couple of times saying NO quite firmly

I used to do this to my male kaki who kept yelling all the time, and now he only yells when its food time

Could try this instead??
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 11:20 pm    Post subject:

Oh my god!
It really works! You're the best! Thanks a lot!
It's been so nice since I started to spray him.

But can't he become scared of water like that? Because, since he's here, he only washed himself once. And even in a pan that was left in the sink because I was too lazy to wash it immediatly. While his bath was next to it.
(Or could it be that his bath isn't big enough? Although it's a bath for parrots).

Anyway, it works like a charm!
Thanks!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:09 am    Post subject:

Kakariki need to bathe everyday and more than once. It is part of their physical well-being.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:04 pm    Post subject:

Eventually you won't have to spray him, and just show him the spray bottle instead

He will get the message that if he starts yelling again, he will get sprayed so he will learn not to yell all the time.

After a while just show him the bottle and say no, dont spray him and see what happens. He might stop yelling EXPECTING to get sprayed just because he can see the bottle.

It sounds cruel i know, but i know it works...

Youd be amazed what kaki's bath in, all 3 of mine bath in their water pots, even though theres a bath in their cage. Its habit really, they get used to bathing in one place and stick to it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:00 pm    Post subject:

The spraycan definitly works. He still wakes me up every morning (but hey, I got to get up anyway and he's better than my alarm), but as soon as he sees me and the bottle closing to each other, he knows he'll get wet if he continues.

Anyway, about that bathing thing, I can't seem to get him to go in the same bath as my other bird. He insists on using anything but the bath I prepare for him (a big bath for parrots with half a roof (seethrough) to prevent the kitchen from becoming a slump).
He doesn't care about the foam on it, he doesn't care about the filth, he only has one ritual, seek the heater in the livingroom and hide there untill he's dry.
I wonder if cleaningproducts aren't bad for the 'oil layer' on his feathers and won't it affect him after a while?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:09 am    Post subject:

The roof might be a problem, kaki's dont seem to like anything above their heads, they like to see everything around them, that includes upwards.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:57 pm    Post subject:

well, the roof ain't completely over it, only 1/3rd. My female goes in it and a male before my new male went in it as well. And the roof is from seethrough plastic.

I'll see if he goes in it when I take off the roof.
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